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Things Musicians Don't Talk About

Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability.

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Update frequency
every 14 days
Average duration
45 minutes
Episodes
111
Years Active
2020 - 2025
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62. If Lewis Capaldi was a classical musician

62. If Lewis Capaldi was a classical musician

For TMDTA's July Voices Radio appearance, Hattie and Becca discuss Lewis Capaldi's Glastonbury set and how this might translate in the classical music world. They also chat about their experiences of…

00:35:47  |   Wed 13 Sep 2023
61. Aaron Akugbo: BBC Proms, art and identity

61. Aaron Akugbo: BBC Proms, art and identity

Our amazing friend, trumpeter Aaron Akugbo, is about to make his BBC Proms debut with the Chineke! Orchestra - but there's more to his story. Determined to be unapologetic about his identity, Aaron t…

01:07:53  |   Thu 31 Aug 2023
60. Paul Denegri: multi-faceted by accident

60. Paul Denegri: multi-faceted by accident

Becca catches up with her former teacher, Paul Denegri, from his stay in an old farmhouse. The humblest of the humble, Paul takes us through his journey to where he is now: revisiting his unexpected …

00:58:07  |   Tue 11 Jul 2023
59. Post-nap epiphanies

59. Post-nap epiphanies

Things Musicians Don't Talk About is now generously supported by the Royal Society of Musicians!


The Royal Society of Musicians is Britain’s oldest music charity and our aims remain as relevant today …

01:00:42  |   Sun 02 Jul 2023
58. Gosia Garstka: the stigma of suicide

58. Gosia Garstka: the stigma of suicide

Tw: Mentions of suicide and it’s prevention


In a society opening up conversations around mental health, suicide is still severely stigmatised and misunderstood. Today we meet pianist Gosia Garska who …

00:51:22  |   Thu 08 Jun 2023
57. a May Q&A: behind the scenes of the podcast

57. a May Q&A: behind the scenes of the podcast

WE PASSED OUR VOICES RADIO TRIAL! Here's our most recent episode-show where we answer beautiful questions from our Insta followers (thanks you guys!). We chit-chat about our favourite and least favou…

00:34:31  |   Thu 18 May 2023
56. Emily Ashton: on getting arrested & musical protesting

56. Emily Ashton: on getting arrested & musical protesting

This week we speak with the inspiring Emily Ashton, baroque cellist, viola da gambist and climate activist. Emily is a founding member of XR Baroque, a group of early music environmentalists who perf…

00:59:01  |   Thu 11 May 2023
55. Kathryn Williams: the flautist on life as a single parent & discrimination at work

55. Kathryn Williams: the flautist on life as a single parent & discrimination at work

On this episode, Hattie speaks with flautist Kathryn Williams, co-author of the Independent Society of Musicians's (ISM) Dignity at Work 2 study, which looked into the experiences of discrimination a…

00:43:22  |   Tue 25 Apr 2023
54. Back by Popular Demand: arts cuts, audition burnout and performance anxiety

54. Back by Popular Demand: arts cuts, audition burnout and performance anxiety

In this episode of Things Musicians Don't Talk About, Hattie and Becca chat from the cosiness of Hattie's new-ish house and perfect podcasting room. We have a candid conversation about the recent art…

00:33:50  |   Wed 12 Apr 2023
53. Joe Hastings: Music Minds Matter

53. Joe Hastings: Music Minds Matter

Where do musicians go for support in a crisis? For many years Help Musicians UK has been the main source of advocacy, funding and research for musicians facing crises of health and finances in the UK…

00:39:34  |   Wed 05 Apr 2023
52. Ingela Onstad: on being more than 'just' a singer

52. Ingela Onstad: on being more than 'just' a singer

Today we are coming with a fascinating episode with Ingela Onstad, who is a psychotherapist and performance coach, as well as a professional soprano.


Both Rebecca and I have been interested in getting…

00:58:18  |   Thu 02 Feb 2023
51. Kate Kennedy: the biographer on how playing injury can lead to eating disorders

51. Kate Kennedy: the biographer on how playing injury can lead to eating disorders

***This episode deals covers topics including eating disorders, mental illness and the Holocaust. Kate talks about them incredibly respectfully and not in graphic details, but for listeners that woul…

01:11:39  |   Fri 30 Dec 2022
50. Three in A Bar: podcast twinning

50. Three in A Bar: podcast twinning

This week we are coming from a North London living room with our wonderful friends from Three In A Bar Podcast. Verity Simmons (cello) and Seb Philpott (trumpet) join us for a 2-part series of collab…

00:43:12  |   Fri 02 Dec 2022
49. Katy Ehrlich: the uncut edit

49. Katy Ehrlich: the uncut edit

Introducing our producer, the wonderful flautist Katy Ehrlich. We are so excited to introduce Katy to you all and for you to hear the journey of her incredible life, and role in the pod, through coun…

00:58:25  |   Fri 04 Nov 2022
48. Betty Makharinsky: on life as a singer and organising the Vache Baroque Festival

48. Betty Makharinsky: on life as a singer and organising the Vache Baroque Festival

‘It’s easy to slip into a mode of being 

where you think your life is happening to you and 

you’re stuck…you think you have to carry on xyz 

trajectory because that’s how it’s been for so long…’ 


This we…

00:51:34  |   Fri 30 Sep 2022
47. Hannah French: living & working with Ehlers Danlos Syndrome

47. Hannah French: living & working with Ehlers Danlos Syndrome

This episode we are sharing the space with BBC Radio 3 presenter and flautist, Hannah French. Recorded in a North London office space, we listened as Hannah explained to us her journey to a diagnosis…

01:06:04  |   Wed 07 Sep 2022
46. Guy Withers: behind the scenes of Waterperry Opera Festival

46. Guy Withers: behind the scenes of Waterperry Opera Festival

This week on TMDTA, Becca and Hattie chat with Guy Withers, Artistic Director, founder and CEO of Waterperry Opera Festival, about this year's upcoming festival which will celebrate it's fifth annive…

00:58:38  |   Tue 21 Jun 2022
45. Cliodhna Ryan: panic attacks on stage

45. Cliodhna Ryan: panic attacks on stage

Hattie and Rebecca are joined this week by violinist and podcaster Cliodhna Ryan. Delving into the years Cliodhna spent in the busyness of London, Cliodhna talks about her move back to Ireland and th…

01:17:29  |   Wed 08 Jun 2022
43. Declan Costello: vocal health and injury

43. Declan Costello: vocal health and injury

Today we are joined by consultant laryngologist, voice disorders specialist and singer Declan Costello! We speak about common vocal injury among singers, the technicalities of his practice, what happ…

00:39:12  |   Mon 16 May 2022
42. Rosie Bennet - Part 2 surviving anorexia

42. Rosie Bennet - Part 2 surviving anorexia

Trigger warning: eating disorders and mental illness


Part 2: We return to Rosie's story to hear about both the rock bottom and how she moved onwards and upwards past it. We would recommend listening t…

00:39:43  |   Fri 13 May 2022
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