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Things Musicians Don't Talk About

Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability.

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Update frequency
every 14 days
Average duration
45 minutes
Episodes
111
Years Active
2020 - 2025
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101. Jessica Curry: when things fall apart

101. Jessica Curry: when things fall apart

'If it could have gone wrong it has gone wrong'. The last five years for Jessica Curry, a composer of contemporary classical game music, has been marked by severe illness and personal loss. She joins…

01:03:38  |   Thu 14 Aug 2025
100. We listened to our old episodes… and immediately regretted it

100. We listened to our old episodes… and immediately regretted it

We have reached episode 100 and so decided, as a celebration, we'd take a wee look back... we might now regret it! Listen as we react to the first episode we made together, now over four years ago! B…

00:51:41  |   Wed 30 Jul 2025
99. Lauren McQuistin: eating disorders in classical music (live)

99. Lauren McQuistin: eating disorders in classical music (live)

*Trigger warning: discussion of eating disorders, alcoholism, addiction*


From our live event at the Royal Society of Musicians on 22nd May 2025


Lauren McQuistin has been running the Instagram account @…

00:58:35  |   Wed 16 Jul 2025
98. Performative workaholism, surviving criticism and intuitive eating

98. Performative workaholism, surviving criticism and intuitive eating

Hattie and Becca discuss the need for many creatives to prove themselves to others online, often sharing data about their work. Do we need a structure and numeric guide for practice or can it be intu…

00:40:04  |   Tue 01 Jul 2025
97. Jamie Barton: embodying pride

97. Jamie Barton: embodying pride

Mezzo-soprano Jamie Barton has been fighting the corner of the marginalised in classical music now for over 10 years. From a marriage breakdown to a queer awakening and struggles with learning repert…

01:05:51  |   Wed 18 Jun 2025
96. Back again, but different

96. Back again, but different

Entering our YouTube era...! And we're talking about returning to things we didn't expect to: Hattie to America and Becca to the harp.


We also have a good ol' think about child prodigies, faith and p…

00:34:05  |   Wed 04 Jun 2025
95. Meditation for musicians: calming the inner critic

95. Meditation for musicians: calming the inner critic

After a performance we term as 'bad', it can be difficult to return to a sense of confidence in our playing. In this fourth mediation, Ruth Philips leads a meditation to disarm the inner critic and r…
00:16:14  |   Sun 25 May 2025
94. Meditation for musicians: connecting with your audience

94. Meditation for musicians: connecting with your audience

Our aim as musicians is to communicate generously and freely to our audience but we rarely turn towards ourselves with the same degree of care. In this meditation, Ruth Philips leads a loving kindnes…
00:17:26  |   Sun 18 May 2025
93. Meditation for musicians: reconnecting with your instrument

93. Meditation for musicians: reconnecting with your instrument

This meditation aims to bring you closer to your instrument and aid in healing any sense of disconnect you may be feeling


Discover Ruth Philips


*Ruth Philips and Lucy Russell are running a course 'Min…

00:22:23  |   Sat 10 May 2025
92. Meditation for musicians: pre-performance anxiety

92. Meditation for musicians: pre-performance anxiety

A meditation for musicians lead by cellist and mindfulness meditation teacher Ruth Philips for use to calm the mind around stage fright and performance anxiety.


Discover Ruth Philips


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00:19:24  |   Fri 02 May 2025
91. I wasn’t as good at the cello as I thought I was

91. I wasn’t as good at the cello as I thought I was

'On returning from America, I listened back to lots of my old recordings and discovered a paradox: I had no confidence but also thought I deserved more – thought I was better than I really was'. Hatt…
00:22:28  |   Wed 23 Apr 2025
90. Lucy Humphris: embracing otherness

90. Lucy Humphris: embracing otherness

This week we interview trumpet player Lucy Humphris about her journey through music college and the contemporary music scene. We speak about the institutional barriers Lucy and others face as a femal…

00:48:20  |   Tue 15 Apr 2025
89. Rigid control, guilt and returning to exercise

89. Rigid control, guilt and returning to exercise

Eating disorders and intense practice obsession have a lot in common. How do we move from an 'all or nothing' mindset to something structured and regular? Becca shares the start to her return to exer…
00:31:31  |   Wed 26 Mar 2025
88. Beyond the 'woman' conversation: Gillian Moore and CN Lester Live at RSM

88. Beyond the 'woman' conversation: Gillian Moore and CN Lester Live at RSM

There are statements made time and time again when you approach the topic of women in music: 'but historically music by men is just better', 'I'm sick of this wokeism in classical music' and 'people …

01:03:48  |   Sat 08 Mar 2025
87. Emily White on grief, teaching and the joy of letting go

87. Emily White on grief, teaching and the joy of letting go

10 years ago trombonist Emily White lost her husband after a prolonged period of illness. She was thrown into the worlds of death admin and loneliness, but out of it discovered a perspective on what …

01:09:16  |   Fri 21 Feb 2025
86. Book Club: anti-psychiatry and doublings

86. Book Club: anti-psychiatry and doublings

Is capitalism to blame for the mental health crisis? Should we separate the art from the artist? Rebecca and Hattie have been reading non-fiction. And they are sharing two of the books with each othe…

01:09:31  |   Wed 05 Feb 2025
85. Mark Brierley on being seen, classical music marketing and the origins of RSM

85. Mark Brierley on being seen, classical music marketing and the origins of RSM

Mark Brierley came to the world of classical music via journalism and without any prior knowledge of the industry. Now, as Head of Membership and Communications at the Royal Society of Musicians, he …

00:38:21  |   Fri 10 Jan 2025
84. Musical theatre and emotional regulation

84. Musical theatre and emotional regulation

It's Becca's turn to sit down for a solo check in with the help of some listener questions. The grief journey continues, as does the freelancing, and Becca reflects on emotional regulation, balancing…

00:35:37  |   Thu 26 Dec 2024
83. The ambition trap and entering into stagnation

83. The ambition trap and entering into stagnation

Hattie sits down for a late night chat about everything on her mind this Christmas. New Year's resolutions, jealousy, musician guilt, ambition and the illusion of festivity are chaotically unpacked.




00:32:17  |   Mon 23 Dec 2024
82. Linton Stephens on living authentically with a public platform

82. Linton Stephens on living authentically with a public platform

We asked Linton Stephens to come and speak about authenticity for our first live show at the Royal Society of Musicians. A musician and broadcaster who has been naturally unapologetic about his ident…

01:09:01  |   Fri 22 Nov 2024
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