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The Fourth Curtain

A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you're not a gamer we know you know one. This will help you connect with them too.

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Update frequency
every 7 days
Average duration
75 minutes
Episodes
101
Years Active
2023 - 2025
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Dylan Cuthbert, Clever as a Star Fox

Dylan Cuthbert, Clever as a Star Fox

This week we meet up with Q-Games founder, Star Fox maker and all around technical wizard Dylan Cuthbert! Dylan is one of the few game developers to have made it big on three different continents! Hi…

01:22:24  |   Thu 15 Feb 2024
Stephen Lim and Trevor Romleski's Forward Operations

Stephen Lim and Trevor Romleski's Forward Operations

This week our guests are lifelong gamers Slim and Trevor. Together they put Valorant on the map and have now formed a new studio, RaidBase, to build a PvP sandbox game where players can build reputat…

01:16:13  |   Thu 08 Feb 2024
Making it Real with John Romero

Making it Real with John Romero

The massively prolific John Romero made 86 games before the hit Castle Wolfenstein and follow-ups DOOM and Quake. Now working on a new shooter in Unreal, he speaks to us about work ethics, culture sh…

01:09:30  |   Thu 01 Feb 2024
Season 2 - Episode 0

Season 2 - Episode 0

Alex and Aaron welcome in the new year, preview our second season, make predictions for 2024, share some insights from the 'wall of wisdom' and answer listener questions. Plus learn how to enter to w…

00:45:53  |   Thu 11 Jan 2024
Bonus Level - Top Ten Tips From Ten Top Bosses

Bonus Level - Top Ten Tips From Ten Top Bosses

Alex and Aaron wrap up the year highlighting the ten things they learned doing a podcast that features the most interesting minds in videogames! Plus, a bag of chips! Make that five bags of chips - w…

01:20:19  |   Thu 14 Dec 2023
Nolan Bushnell's Happy Accidents

Nolan Bushnell's Happy Accidents

Creator of Pong, Atari and Chuck E. Cheese, Nolan Bushnell has had a galactic impact on both video games and culture in general. The only person to have employed Steve Jobs, through a series of happy…

01:11:55  |   Thu 30 Nov 2023
Noah Falstein's Amazing Arc

Noah Falstein's Amazing Arc

Founder of the Inspiracy, Noah Falstein went from playtesting Joust, to making Sinistar, to ground-floor stints at LucasArts, 3DO, Dreamworks and finally Chief Game Designer at Google. We talk throug…

01:12:22  |   Thu 23 Nov 2023
The Wizard of Xbox, Seamus Blackley

The Wizard of Xbox, Seamus Blackley

Strap in for a wild ride everyone! In part two of our deep dive we talk to the Father of the Xbox Seamus Blackley, He co-founded Looking Glass and Dreamworks Interactive, before making the Xbox and f…

01:13:33  |   Thu 16 Nov 2023
Matt Booty's Boggling Domain

Matt Booty's Boggling Domain

President of Game Content and Studios for Microsoft's Xbox, Matt Booty manages many of the biggest video games in history - Minecraft, Halo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout. Starting as an audio designer at M…

01:03:27  |   Thu 09 Nov 2023
Getting a Rise with Brian Fargo

Getting a Rise with Brian Fargo

One time Olympic hopeful and leader-in-exile Brian Fargo is a true legend. He founded Interplay and inExile Entertainment. He’s made dozens of smash hit games like Wasteland, Battle Chess, Lost Vikin…

01:16:13  |   Thu 02 Nov 2023
All Right the First Time with Jason Rubin

All Right the First Time with Jason Rubin

Naughty Dog co-founder Jason Rubin made massive hits like Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter before moving on to run THQ. Now he's building the metaverse at Meta. Lessons in business success and the …

01:19:06  |   Thu 26 Oct 2023
And the Winner is... Geoff Keighley!

And the Winner is... Geoff Keighley!

Creator and Host of The Game Awards, Geoff Keighley is possibly the most recognizable face in videogames. Starting as a teenage game reviewer he wrote for Time Magazine, Kotaku, and Fortune, then bec…

01:07:11  |   Thu 19 Oct 2023
The Independent Mindset of Jonathan Blow

The Independent Mindset of Jonathan Blow

IGF Design Award winner Jonathan Blow has made legendary games like Braid and The Witness by taking risks and making the hard decisions. Currently he's working on a new game with a homemade game engi…

01:18:33  |   Thu 12 Oct 2023
No One Says No to Ed Del Castillo

No One Says No to Ed Del Castillo

Maker of Adventure Game of the Year "Desperate Housewives" Ed Del Castillo has made a couple other impactful games - Command and Conquer Red Alert, Battle Realms, Ultima IX. He invented box select in…

01:17:18  |   Thu 05 Oct 2023
Brewing Up Mega Hits with Greg Zeschuk

Brewing Up Mega Hits with Greg Zeschuk

This week Alex and Aaron welcome the co-founder of Bioware, the makers of Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. They revolutionized RPG games. Without Greg - …

01:18:50  |   Thu 28 Sep 2023
Christofer Sundberg Braves the Dangerous Waters

Christofer Sundberg Braves the Dangerous Waters

Creator of the Just Cause and Mad Max games, three-time Chair of the Swedish Game Industry Assn., Christofer Sundberg has weathered some serious setbacks and come out on top. Now Founder and CCO at L…

01:06:29  |   Thu 21 Sep 2023
Keeping Your Eye on the Ball with Eugene Jarvis

Keeping Your Eye on the Ball with Eugene Jarvis

Sure, Defender, Smash TV, Narc and Cruis’n were huge games, but this man helped usher in multi-ball! Pinball pioneer turned arcade cabinet rock star Eugene Jarvis joins us with stories about transiti…

01:17:20  |   Thu 14 Sep 2023
The Intelli Vision of Don Daglow

The Intelli Vision of Don Daglow

There's OG game devs, and then there's the Elder Gods of game dev, creators from time out of mind. Our guest Don Daglow's games started appearing on mainframes in 1971, before there were MONITORS. Cr…

01:19:32  |   Thu 07 Sep 2023
The Infinite Stories of Ken Levine

The Infinite Stories of Ken Levine

"Storyteller of the Decade" Ken Levine has been a thief of our time and a shock to our systems for years. First winner of the Golden Joystick Lifetime Achievement award, he's created huge hits like S…

01:07:21  |   Thu 31 Aug 2023
The Massive Reputation of Raph Koster

The Massive Reputation of Raph Koster

This week's guest is a poet, writing the poetry of fun - or at least the prose. Author of the essential "A Theory of Fun", creator of Ultima Online and Star Wars Galaxies, he is likely the world's fo…

01:15:50  |   Thu 24 Aug 2023
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