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The Fourth Curtain

A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you're not a gamer we know you know one. This will help you connect with them too.

Video Games Culture Games Gaming Leisure Interview Creativity
Update frequency
every 7 days
Average duration
75 minutes
Episodes
101
Years Active
2023 - 2025
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The Origin Stories of Elder Scrolls' Paul Sage

The Origin Stories of Elder Scrolls' Paul Sage

We get an inside look this week from Paul Sage, founder and CEO of Ruckus Games. Inspired by Ultima 3, he worked his way up to lead designer of Ultima Online, to Borderlands 3 and more. Now working o…

01:13:54  |   Thu 04 Sep 2025
How to Make an Atari Sandwich, with David Gardner

How to Make an Atari Sandwich, with David Gardner

David Gardner joins us this week with tales of the early days of videogames. A teenage tech prodigy, he was employee #11 at EA, ran Atari and is now a games VC. We talk Hawkins distortion fields, Ata…

01:17:24  |   Thu 28 Aug 2025
Indie Megabooth's Digital Nomad Kelly Wallick

Indie Megabooth's Digital Nomad Kelly Wallick

This week we talk with the founder of the Indie Megabooth and games VC Kelly Wallick. Through her indie beginnings to her investing portfolio, community has always been the core. We discuss the Indie…

01:18:37  |   Thu 21 Aug 2025
Fallout's Feargus Urquhart Stares into the Abyss

Fallout's Feargus Urquhart Stares into the Abyss

Our guest is Feargus Urquhart, founder and CEO of Obsidian, the premier maker of videogame RPGs. Having mastered 27 second pizzas he moved to testing and production of huge titles like KOTOR, Baldur'…

01:19:22  |   Thu 14 Aug 2025
Making Myst a World with Rand and Robyn Miller

Making Myst a World with Rand and Robyn Miller

Our guests are Rand and Robyn Miller, founders of Cyan (World) and creators of the smash game Myst. From humble beginnings in Hypercard kids' games, they made the 3D puzzle experience Myst which chan…

01:26:23  |   Thu 07 Aug 2025
World of Warcraft's Seth Sivak Tips the Dealer

World of Warcraft's Seth Sivak Tips the Dealer

Our guest this week is Seth Sivak, VP Development for World of Warcraft at Blizzard. From early years at Zynga he became Founder and CEO of Proletariat, shipping big games like Spellbreak. We discuss…

01:15:36  |   Thu 31 Jul 2025
Night Street's Mac Reynolds Captures the Last Flag

Night Street's Mac Reynolds Captures the Last Flag

Our guest this week is Mac Reynolds, CEO and co-founder of Night Street Games, making the PvP shooter Last Flag. As manager of the band, Imagine Dragons, he learned how to find magic from the grind a…

01:12:57  |   Thu 03 Jul 2025
Oregon Trail's Phillip Bouchard Blazes Deadly Paths

Oregon Trail's Phillip Bouchard Blazes Deadly Paths

Our guest this week is the poster boy for educational software going massively mainstream, Phillip Bouchard. Starting in the world of mainframes he created a worldwide hit on Apple II and beyond. We …

01:01:46  |   Thu 26 Jun 2025
Killer Instinct's Adam Boyes Tears Down the Walls

Killer Instinct's Adam Boyes Tears Down the Walls

Our guest this week is Adam Boyes, longtime co-CEO of Iron Galaxy and now founder of Vivrato. From Killer Instinct to The Last of Us Part I, he’s helped bring major games to life and now supports dev…

01:20:11  |   Thu 19 Jun 2025
Dead by Daylight’s Rémi Racine Bets on Himself

Dead by Daylight’s Rémi Racine Bets on Himself

Our guest Rémi Racine is the founder & CEO of Behaviour Interactive—the studio behind Dead by Daylight and dozens of other titles. A veteran of the games industry for over 25 years, Rémi has helped s…

01:07:43  |   Thu 12 Jun 2025
Uncharted's Nolan North's Weird Ability to Yell

Uncharted's Nolan North's Weird Ability to Yell

Our guest Nolan North has brought to life your favorite videogame characters with his voice! From Uncharted's Nathan Drake and Assassin's Creed's Desmond Miles, to scores of others, he is a top talen…

01:16:07  |   Thu 05 Jun 2025
Hogwarts Legacy's John Blackburn is Cool in the Arcade

Hogwarts Legacy's John Blackburn is Cool in the Arcade

Our guest John Blackburn is a founder and CEO of Avalanche Software, makers of hundreds of games for dozens of platforms, such as Hogwarts Legacy and Disney Infinity. He has tales of when games paid …

01:09:19  |   Thu 29 May 2025
What Have You Got to Lose with Blizzard's Michael Morhaime

What Have You Got to Lose with Blizzard's Michael Morhaime

Our guest Michael Morhaime was President and CEO of Blizzard during its glory years, shipping Warcraft, Starcraft, World of Warcraft, Diablo and more! Now Founder and CEO Dreamhaven he's won an Emmy …

01:13:02  |   Thu 22 May 2025
The Sims' Bing Gordon is Specifically Right

The Sims' Bing Gordon is Specifically Right

Our guest Bing Gordon has had a long successful run in videogames and tech. From marketing lead to Chief Creative Officer at EA, he helped shaped NASCAR, The Sims and other huge titles. We discuss pi…

01:15:48  |   Thu 15 May 2025
Portal's Kim Swift's Cake is Not a Lie

Portal's Kim Swift's Cake is Not a Lie

Our guest Kim Swift turned a student demo into the mega-hit Portal. Previously the Head of Creative for Xbox Games Publishing, she also did level design on Left 4 Dead and was Design Director for Sta…

01:15:49  |   Thu 08 May 2025
The Blinding Flame of Red Dead's Christian Cantamessa

The Blinding Flame of Red Dead's Christian Cantamessa

Our guest Christian Cantamessa began in point and click adventures before becoming lead designer and writer for Red Dead Redemption. Now CEO of Day 4 Night Studios Inc., he is also the writer and dir…

01:21:15  |   Thu 01 May 2025
Command and Conquer's Louis Castle's Triple Threat

Command and Conquer's Louis Castle's Triple Threat

Our guest Louis Castle helped invent real-time strategy games with Command and Conquer and has a BAFTA for Boom Blox. Now leading Childlike Wonder Games, we discuss casino ethics, switching to real-t…

01:08:39  |   Thu 24 Apr 2025
Tencent's Amir Satvat Flexes the Data Muscle for Good

Tencent's Amir Satvat Flexes the Data Muscle for Good

Our guest Amir Satvat wants to get you a job in games. A business development executive at Tencent, he won the Game Changer award for the incredible community he built which has helped over 3k gamede…

01:14:20  |   Thu 17 Apr 2025
Outer Wilds' Alex Beachum's Cool Weird Emotional Prototypes

Outer Wilds' Alex Beachum's Cool Weird Emotional Prototypes

Our guest Alex Beachum turned his thesis project into the mind-bending smash Outer Wilds. Inspired by greats such as Zelda and Antichamber, it blazed new ground by having a nonviolent (though definit…

01:12:11  |   Thu 10 Apr 2025
The Maestro of Modding Sandi Montaño

The Maestro of Modding Sandi Montaño

In this inspiring episode of The Fourth Curtain, we sit down with Sandi Montaño, a self-taught modding phenom who went from stay-at-home dad to one of the most downloaded indie creators in the gaming…

00:57:53  |   Thu 03 Apr 2025
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