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The Fourth Curtain

A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you're not a gamer we know you know one. This will help you connect with them too.

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Update frequency
every 7 days
Average duration
75 minutes
Episodes
101
Years Active
2023 - 2025
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Exploding Kittens' Elan Lee Stacks the Deck

Exploding Kittens' Elan Lee Stacks the Deck

Our guest is Exploding Kitten's Elan Lee. Starting with animating breath for the film Titanic, he went on to create the world's first alternate reality game, The Beast, at Microsoft. Later he gamifie…

01:12:28  |   Thu 27 Mar 2025
Journey's Jenova Chen and the Art of the Positive Game

Journey's Jenova Chen and the Art of the Positive Game

This week's guest is Jenova Chen, creator of Journey, Sky: Children of the Light and other games. A BAFTA winner, he has strong opinions about morality in games and the value of positivity. We discus…

01:16:39  |   Thu 20 Mar 2025
Alex Irvine's Storytelling Secrets from Marvel Rivals and Beyond!

Alex Irvine's Storytelling Secrets from Marvel Rivals and Beyond!

Dive into the compelling world of storytelling with acclaimed author Alex Irvine, known for his immersive contributions to Marvel games, graphic novels, and groundbreaking Alternate Reality Games (AR…

01:10:52  |   Thu 13 Mar 2025
Hope for the Future with Halo's Joe Staten

Hope for the Future with Halo's Joe Staten

This week's guest is Halo and Destiny's Joe Staten. Beginning as a farmhand, he went on to lead teams in the Halo franchise, be on the core team for Destiny, write a NYT bestselling novel and work wi…

01:22:53  |   Thu 06 Mar 2025
Games Workshop's Ian Livingstone, Fantasy Knight in Real Life

Games Workshop's Ian Livingstone, Fantasy Knight in Real Life

This week's guest is a founder of Games Workshop, publisher of White Dwarf magazine, creator of the Fighting Fantasy Books and Executive Chair of Eidos Interactive Sir Ian Livingstone. This Knight of…

01:26:44  |   Thu 27 Feb 2025
Best of 2024

Best of 2024

In this week's episode we recap some of the best moments from Season 2, with John Romero on hits and misses, how Peter Molyneux makes a game, Ed Fries on Xbox's Valentines Day massacre, Warren Specto…

01:44:49  |   Thu 20 Feb 2025
Ed Boon Gets into the Nitty-Gritty Metal

Ed Boon Gets into the Nitty-Gritty Metal

Welcome to the Season Two finale episode! And it's a Monster!!!! (Never fear, we will be back in a couple of weeks with some special episodes to bridge the gap to Season Three!)

This week's guest is E…

01:11:16  |   Thu 24 Oct 2024
From Pong to Deconstructor: Mishka Katkoff’s Global Gaming Journey

From Pong to Deconstructor: Mishka Katkoff’s Global Gaming Journey

Ok, we know this episode should be called Something Fun on the Toilet with MK, but we're chose to keep it classy. Our guest this week is Michail Katkoff, a veteran of Zynga, Supercell, and Rovio, par…

01:11:59  |   Thu 17 Oct 2024
Things Blow Up with Mike Pondsmith

Things Blow Up with Mike Pondsmith

In this episode of The Fourth Curtain, legendary game designer Mike Pondsmith joins hosts Alex and Aaron for an in-depth conversation about his expansive career, from creating the tabletop RPG Cyberp…

01:27:41  |   Thu 10 Oct 2024
The Business Romance of Mihai Pohontu

The Business Romance of Mihai Pohontu

This week on The Fourth Curtain, we’re joined by Mihai Pohontu, CEO and Chairman of Amber Studio, a distinguished figure in the gaming industry. Mihai, who was recently named Romanian Entrepreneur of…

01:25:08  |   Thu 03 Oct 2024
Warren Spector Gets the Keys to the Kingdom

Warren Spector Gets the Keys to the Kingdom

Our guest Warren Spector is the creative producer behind vastly influential games like Ultima Underworld, System Shock, Deus Ex and many others. Now working on (working title) Argos, he joins us to t…

01:29:23  |   Thu 26 Sep 2024
Ed Fries Races The Beam

Ed Fries Races The Beam

In this episode of The Fourth Curtain, Alex and Aaron sit down with Ed Fries, a pivotal figure in the gaming industry and former VP at Microsoft, where he helped launch the Xbox. Ed shares stories fr…

01:33:43  |   Thu 19 Sep 2024
Frank Gibeau's Silver Bullets for Game Development

Frank Gibeau's Silver Bullets for Game Development

Join Alex Seropian (founder of Bungie) and Aaron Marroquin as they dive into the incredible minds behind the video game industry in The Fourth Curtain. In this episode, they chat with Frank Gibeau, t…

01:13:38  |   Thu 12 Sep 2024
Jordan Weisman Makes Stuff Up

Jordan Weisman Makes Stuff Up

Our guest this week is the legend Jordan Weisman. Creator of BattleTech, Crimson Skies and the world's first alternate reality game, he's now working on Adventure Forge, a platform to help non-engine…

01:18:02  |   Thu 05 Sep 2024
Harvey Smith Knows the Secret to Magical Games

Harvey Smith Knows the Secret to Magical Games

Our guest this week is the co-creative director of Arkane Studios, Harvey Smith. Starting out in QA for System Shock and other games, he went on to be lead designer for Deus Ex and ultimately made Di…

01:28:27  |   Thu 29 Aug 2024
Behind the Headlines: Dean Takahashi’s Journey Through Gaming’s Biggest Stories

Behind the Headlines: Dean Takahashi’s Journey Through Gaming’s Biggest Stories

In this exciting episode of The Fourth Curtain, hosts Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin dive deep into the world of gaming journalism with none other than Dean Takahashi, the lead writer of Game…

01:02:10  |   Thu 22 Aug 2024
Rod Fergusson Shakes The Jello

Rod Fergusson Shakes The Jello

This week's guest is a well-known "closer" who has steered the ship for some of the biggest games ever. Beginning with Train Simulator, he went on to serve as Producer for Counter-Strike Xbox, Gears …

01:20:26  |   Thu 15 Aug 2024
Inside CD Projekt RED: Michal Nowakowski on The Witcher, Cyberpunk, and Gaming's Future

Inside CD Projekt RED: Michal Nowakowski on The Witcher, Cyberpunk, and Gaming's Future

Our guest this week is Michal Nowakowski the co-CEO of CD Projekt Red, the renowned studio behind iconic games like The Witcher and Cyberpunk 2077.

With nearly two decades at CD Projekt, Michal shares…

01:17:04  |   Thu 08 Aug 2024
Brian Reynolds Surrounds the Fun Part 2

Brian Reynolds Surrounds the Fun Part 2

Our conversation with the gamedev legend Brian Reynolds continues as we dive into the true meaning of 4X, the Train Reynolds business model, NPC insults and the research secrets of this podcast - thi…

01:21:31  |   Thu 01 Aug 2024
Brian Reynolds Surrounds the Fun Part 1

Brian Reynolds Surrounds the Fun Part 1

Our guest Brian Reynolds has a story so nice we had to hear it twice! In Part 1 we hear about coding at Radioshack, mentorship with Sid Meier and making Civilization 2 basically by himself. A great c…

01:24:28  |   Thu 25 Jul 2024
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