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The Other 22 Hours

"Artistry flourishes in shared conversation."

Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey.

Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss, and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-lead conversations - not your typical outsider journalist interviews.

Music Music Interviews Creativity Mental Health Health & Fitness Arts Inspiration
Update frequency
every 7 days
Average duration
51 minutes
Episodes
121
Years Active
2023 - 2025
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The Mammals on tradition, links in the chain, and localism.

The Mammals on tradition, links in the chain, and localism.

The Mammals (Ruth Ungar and Mike Merenda, who also have a project called Mike & Ruthy) are a band from the Woodstock area with deep roots in the folk scene and traditions of the area, have worked wit…

00:57:20  |   Wed 03 Sep 2025
Dan Reeder on shunning mediocrity, painting, and building synths.

Dan Reeder on shunning mediocrity, painting, and building synths.

Dan Reeder is a singer-songwriter and painter originally from Louisiana, who has lived in Germany for decades, released critically acclaimed records via John Prine's Oh Boy Records (as one of the fir…

00:45:12  |   Wed 27 Aug 2025
AI vs Creativity. Then, Now, and Next with Drew Thurlow.

AI vs Creativity. Then, Now, and Next with Drew Thurlow.

The episode in which we ask the expert all the questions about AI and making music, as it stands today: what can AI actually do? What is it going to be able to do next month? Next year? How do we ret…

00:41:32  |   Wed 20 Aug 2025
Maia Friedman on the ladder, mothering on the road, and economics.

Maia Friedman on the ladder, mothering on the road, and economics.

Maia Friedman is a solo singer/songwriter, as well as a member of The Dirty Projectors and Coco. We talk with Maia about the ingrained narrative of climbing the endless ladder, mothering while on the…

00:47:52  |   Wed 13 Aug 2025
Leslie Mendelson on self sufficiency, female representation, and gaps.

Leslie Mendelson on self sufficiency, female representation, and gaps.

Leslie Mendelson is a Grammy nominated songwriter from New York City, a favorite of Jackson Browne and Jakob Dylan, she released her first record on RykoDisc before moving to releasing the past 4+ in…

00:35:51  |   Wed 06 Aug 2025
Tammy Rogers (The SteelDrivers) on collective bargaining, studio vs road, and flexibility.

Tammy Rogers (The SteelDrivers) on collective bargaining, studio vs road, and flexibility.

Tammy Rogers is a founding member of Grammy-winning bluegrass band The SteelDrivers, a founding partner of Dead Reckoning (which is credited as being an early champion of 'americana' music), and is a…

00:56:18  |   Wed 30 Jul 2025
Carissa Potter (People I've Loved) on containing multitudes, universal basic income, and toxicity.

Carissa Potter (People I've Loved) on containing multitudes, universal basic income, and toxicity.

Carissa Potter is an artist, author, podcast host (Bad at Keeping Secrets), one of AdAges 24 Most Inspiring People of 2021, and is the founder of People I've Loved - which is found in over 600 stores…

00:42:01  |   Wed 23 Jul 2025
Johnnyswim on curiosity, work vs growth, and wonder.

Johnnyswim on curiosity, work vs growth, and wonder.

Johnnyswim, the duo Amanda Sudano and Abner Ramirez, have been releasing records since 2008, have played The Tonight Show (Leno edition), and the Late Late Show, NPR's Tiny Desk and All Things Consid…

00:54:55  |   Wed 16 Jul 2025
Drew Holcomb on expensive mistakes, decision points, and gentleness.

Drew Holcomb on expensive mistakes, decision points, and gentleness.

Drew Holcomb has released over a dozen records since 2005, independently as well as through Dualtone Records and with Thirty Tigers, on top of popular performances and records with his wife, songwrit…

00:37:31  |   Wed 09 Jul 2025
Empowering the independent music industry, with bandcamp Editorial Director J Edward Keyes

Empowering the independent music industry, with bandcamp Editorial Director J Edward Keyes

J Edward Keyes is a journalist with bylines in Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, SPIN, Entertainment Weekly, Village Voice, and who is now the Editorial Director at bandcamp. As an online record store, and m…

00:53:33  |   Wed 02 Jul 2025
Greta Morgan perfect moments, a lost voice, and pitching.

Greta Morgan perfect moments, a lost voice, and pitching.

Greta Morgan is a founding member of The Hush Sound, touring with Fallout Boy when she was still a teenager, releasing records via Fueled By Ramen, before moving on to being a touring member of Vampi…

01:03:38  |   Wed 25 Jun 2025
Major Jackson on human expression, stewardship, and art monsters.

Major Jackson on human expression, stewardship, and art monsters.

Major Jackson is a poet, author, and professor who is the recipient of fellowships from Guggenheim Foundation, National Endowment for the Arts, Academy of American Poets, Fine Arts works Center in Pr…

00:49:07  |   Wed 18 Jun 2025
Seth Walker on nomadic creativity, chasing anxiety, and silence.

Seth Walker on nomadic creativity, chasing anxiety, and silence.

Seth Walker is singer/songwriter, guitarist, author, and painter who grew up on a commune in North Carolina, has released 12(+) records, has toured and collaborated with The Mavericks, The Wood Broth…

00:35:02  |   Wed 11 Jun 2025
Caitlyn Smith on editing stars, first drafts, and writer's block.

Caitlyn Smith on editing stars, first drafts, and writer's block.

Caitlyn Smith is a singer and songwriter who has released 3 records via Sony and is now releasing music independently, she has a publishing deal with Universal (UMPG) and her songs have been recorded…

01:01:25  |   Wed 04 Jun 2025
Wilder Woods (Bear Rinehart) on internally fueled disappointment, starting over, and frames.

Wilder Woods (Bear Rinehart) on internally fueled disappointment, starting over, and frames.

Wilder Woods is the solo project of Bear Rinehart, the lead singer of multi-plantinum, Grammy-nominated, Billboard award winning, multiple Dove award-winning mega rock band NEEDTOBREATHE. We chat wit…

00:52:27  |   Wed 28 May 2025
Daren Thomas Magee on tuning your instrument, funnels, and cliches.

Daren Thomas Magee on tuning your instrument, funnels, and cliches.

Daren Thomas Magee - Real Fun, Wow! - is an illustrator, muralist, and designer based in Ojai California, who has used social media as a creative tool to grow a following (370,000 on instagram curren…

00:57:50  |   Wed 21 May 2025
Laurie Berkner on improvising songs, selling back catalogs, and stigmas.

Laurie Berkner on improvising songs, selling back catalogs, and stigmas.

Laurie Berkner has released 15 best-selling records, has performed everywhere from The White House to Carnegie Hall and The Today Show, authored children's books based on her songs, written music and…

00:49:22  |   Wed 14 May 2025
Denison Witmer on patience, embracing imperfection, and woodworking.

Denison Witmer on patience, embracing imperfection, and woodworking.

Denison Witmer is a singer/songwriter and woodworking from Lancaster PA and longtime collaborator of Sufjan Stevens, who has been releasing records for 20+ years acclaimed by the likes of NPR and Ste…

00:48:35  |   Wed 07 May 2025
Valerie June on the law of attraction, a malleable life, and testing limits.

Valerie June on the law of attraction, a malleable life, and testing limits.

Valerie June is a Grammy-nominated singer/songwriter whose music has been praised by Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, The New Yorker, NPR, and Bob Dylan himself (who is a self-proclaimed fan). She has perfo…

00:47:08  |   Wed 30 Apr 2025
Marla Frazee on creative chronologies, childhood mindsets, and cracking the code.

Marla Frazee on creative chronologies, childhood mindsets, and cracking the code.

Marla Frazee is an illustrator and author who is a 3x Caldecott Honors recipient (for distinguished American picture book for children), the Boston Globe Horn Book Award, is a NY Times Bestseller, sh…

00:55:27  |   Wed 23 Apr 2025
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