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Theology of Music

As an associate professor of music and worship and part-time worship pastor, Cliff has spent years thinking deeply about the songs that we sing together as a church during our corporate worship services. Yet, instead of being another deconstructing voice, Cliff seeks to foster thought-provoking and edifying conversations with folks who create and lead the songs we sing in corporate worship. 

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Update frequency
every 6 days
Average duration
31 minutes
Episodes
126
Years Active
2020 - 2025
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Creative and Intentional Worship Planning Using AI with Adam Stinespring

Creative and Intentional Worship Planning Using AI with Adam Stinespring

This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Adam Stinespring, worship leader, realtor, and designer of CreativeWorshipFlow.com, a worship planning tool using AI to assist worship leaders in put…

00:36:10  |   Mon 15 Sep 2025
When We Sing with Jon Azzarello

When We Sing with Jon Azzarello

As I was finishing up my doctoral studies in worship a couple of years ago, I came across a book called “The Greatest Worship Leader,” by author and worship pastor at Mercy Hill Church in North Carol…

00:40:22  |   Fri 15 Aug 2025
Important Questions to Ask When Choosing Songs for Coprorate Worship with Dalton Shaffer

Important Questions to Ask When Choosing Songs for Coprorate Worship with Dalton Shaffer

This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Dalton Shaffer, Music Ministry and Liturgy Director at Candeo church in Cedar Falls, Iowa. I’ve followed Dalton for a while on Instagram, and his ins…

00:31:16  |   Mon 14 Jul 2025
AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 2

AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 2

My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull…

00:24:47  |   Mon 16 Jun 2025
AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 1

AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 1

My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull…

00:24:23  |   Thu 15 May 2025
Worship Song Contextualization with Dr. Ryan Loche of the Church Collective

Worship Song Contextualization with Dr. Ryan Loche of the Church Collective

My guest on this month's episode was long overdue! I got a chance to talk with Dr. Ryan Loche, the co-founder of The Church Collective https://www.instagram.com/thechurchcollective/. If you’re unfami…

00:28:32  |   Thu 03 Apr 2025
Colossians 3:16 - An Biblical Guide to Corporate Worship with Spencer Cormany from Leading Worship Well

Colossians 3:16 - An Biblical Guide to Corporate Worship with Spencer Cormany from Leading Worship Well

Colossians 3:16 not only guides the Church in WHY we should sing but WHAT we should be singing and WHY we should be singing it.


00:27:13  |   Fri 28 Feb 2025
Do You Have A Worship Song Metric?

Do You Have A Worship Song Metric?

On this month’s episode, I bring back former guest, Justin Kintzel. While I’ve known Justin for a while through our connections at Liberty University and a quick coffee shop chat a couple of years ag…

00:21:33  |   Mon 16 Dec 2024
How are we Discipling our Congregations in the Songs we Choose for Corporate Worship?

How are we Discipling our Congregations in the Songs we Choose for Corporate Worship?

Joel and I discuss giving our congregations more than just a musically emotional experience but facilitating opportunities for them to both proclaim and ingest lasting Truth. Such a rich episode!

00:38:47  |   Thu 31 Oct 2024
Brett Perkins Shares Some Guidelines for Choosing and Writing Songs for Corporate Worship

Brett Perkins Shares Some Guidelines for Choosing and Writing Songs for Corporate Worship

This is part 2 of my conversation with Brett Perkins, worship pastor at The Journey Church in Lebanon, TN. In this episode, Brett shares how they choose songs for corporate worship and even some of t…

00:25:59  |   Mon 30 Sep 2024
The Motivation Behind Opening Doors with Brett Perkins

The Motivation Behind Opening Doors with Brett Perkins

My conversation with Brett wasn't planned but it was SO good I had to hit record. In this episode, we discuss God's leading and how we discern the motivation behind stepping into opportunities the Lo…

00:25:08  |   Sat 31 Aug 2024
The Role of Emotions in Corporate Worship with Pastor Kevin Haglund

The Role of Emotions in Corporate Worship with Pastor Kevin Haglund

A great conversation with Pastor Kevin Haglund on his research regarding the role of emotions in corporate worship.  

00:37:27  |   Mon 15 Jul 2024
The Relaunch with Dr. Gabriel Miller

The Relaunch with Dr. Gabriel Miller

Welcome or welcome back!  My name is Cliff, and I'm the new Theology of Music podcast host.  I'm excited to get to know you as we have discussions around the theology of the music we use in corporate…

00:26:00  |   Mon 17 Jun 2024
The Good and Bad trends in the Church & the Last Episode of the Theology of Music Podcast

The Good and Bad trends in the Church & the Last Episode of the Theology of Music Podcast

In this episode, Joel discusses the good and bad trends within the reformed and more charismatic churches. Additionally, Joel gives his last encouragement and exhortation to the listeners of this pod…

00:35:45  |   Wed 21 Dec 2022
Should Churches Cancel Service on Christmas &

Should Churches Cancel Service on Christmas & "Joy To The World"

In this episode, Joel touches on a hot topic this year - whether churches should cancel services when Christmas falls on Sunday and how the song "Joy to the World" can inform our decisions. 

00:31:45  |   Thu 15 Dec 2022
The Beginning of the End for Theology of Music & Why

The Beginning of the End for Theology of Music & Why

In this episode, Joel lists the reasons why the podcast is coming to an end and what the last few weeks will look like. 

00:27:29  |   Thu 08 Dec 2022
What It's Like to Move Everytime God Calls & the Story Behind

What It's Like to Move Everytime God Calls & the Story Behind "Wherever I Go" feat. Jackie Minton

In the last guest episode of the year, Joel sits down with Singer-Songwriter, Jackie Minton, to discuss how God continually utilized a certain Scripture to call her to make big leaps of faith and tru…

00:35:17  |   Fri 02 Dec 2022
From Unemployed to Being a Pastor, The Story Behind His Music, and How Our Wives Told Us They Were Pregnant Again feat. Daniel Mulkey

From Unemployed to Being a Pastor, The Story Behind His Music, and How Our Wives Told Us They Were Pregnant Again feat. Daniel Mulkey

In this episode, Joel sits down with Daniel Mulkey to talk about what it was like trusting God during a season of unemployment, serving in the church without agenda, and how our wives told us when th…

00:41:30  |   Fri 25 Nov 2022
Growing Up With A Famous Dad, Hypocrisy in Christian Music, & Finding Spiritual Healing Through Playwriting

Growing Up With A Famous Dad, Hypocrisy in Christian Music, & Finding Spiritual Healing Through Playwriting

In this episode, Joel sits down with Anna Smith who is the daughter of World-famous Christian Artist, Michael W Smith. In this episode, Joel and Anna talk about what it's like growing up with a famou…

00:35:58  |   Thu 17 Nov 2022
From Humble Beginnings to Humbly Leading, Why Our Stories Matter In Songwriting, & Prodigal Living feat. Mitch Langley

From Humble Beginnings to Humbly Leading, Why Our Stories Matter In Songwriting, & Prodigal Living feat. Mitch Langley

In this episode, Joel sits down with another fantastic worship leader and songwriter, Mitch Langley. They talk all about how God can use even the most wayward of sinners and bring them to a place whe…

00:36:14  |   Thu 10 Nov 2022
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