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The Trail and Error Podcast

Welcome to Trail & Error.

The podcast where together we'll explore the world of trail running, capturing the diverse perspectives of a range of guests, from professional and amateur athletes, event and race directors, coaches and scientists. Learning what works, what doesn’t, and having a few laughs along the way.

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Update frequency
every 15 days
Average duration
67 minutes
Episodes
90
Years Active
2021 - 2025
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#93 Holly Wootten

#93 Holly Wootten

Ep. 93 Holly Wootten 


Holly joins me and new co-host Lewis Ryan to talk about her upcoming return to Dragons Back and her previous appearance in the scorching heat of 2023 which served as a (very long…

01:05:53  |   Mon 25 Aug 2025
#92 Sarah Kelly

#92 Sarah Kelly

Episode 92


Sarah Kelly is a scientist and endurance athlete who turns up the dial on enthusiasm to 10 in just about all aspects of her life. 

Her adventures are what happens when you take a 'can do' at…

01:04:23  |   Tue 29 Jul 2025
#91 Scilly 60: Race Special

#91 Scilly 60: Race Special

Episode 91


Scilly 60: Race Special


5 Islands, 60k, 6 races, 3 boats and 150 runners.


Sounds straightforward?


Welcome to the Scilly 60, brainchild of our last guest Wez Swain and his Scilly 60 Events c…

01:01:43  |   Fri 27 Jun 2025
#90 Wez Swain

#90 Wez Swain

#90 Wez Swain

What an absolute pleasure this was to chat with race director and proud Scillonian Wez Swain.


Based on the Isles of Scilly, 28 miles of the south west coast of Cornwall Wez, already an a…

01:02:46  |   Sat 26 Apr 2025
#89 David Parrish

#89 David Parrish

Ex Royal Marine David Parrish joins me alongside a new guest co-host, Jodie Gauld, to talk multi-day adventures, his victory at the 2023 Cape Wrath Ultra and how he's preparing for the 2025 Dragon's …

01:05:19  |   Tue 18 Mar 2025
#88 Max King

#88 Max King

#88 Max King


A resident of Oregon and ‘Dragon Tamer’, running legend and coach Max King joins me and guest co-host Lewis Ryan on this episode.


We talk about his 2024 DBR win, taking on locals in their …

01:06:08  |   Fri 21 Feb 2025
#87 Shane Ohly

#87 Shane Ohly


I’ve been itching to have Shane back on the show for a number of reasons.


The foremost of these was his completion of the Dragon’s Back in a one’r, creating an FKT for this iconic route. It’s also the…

00:59:49  |   Wed 12 Feb 2025
# 86 Noor van der Veen

# 86 Noor van der Veen

#86 Noor van der Veen


On this episode I speak to ultra runner and mountaineer Noor van der Veen. 

Noor turned up with an awesome performance on this year's 100 mile Arc of Attrition by UTMB taking 1st …

00:58:46  |   Fri 31 Jan 2025
#85 Lewis Ryan

#85 Lewis Ryan

In this episode I chat to Lewis Ryan, overall winner of the Arc of Attrition by UTMB 100 mile race.


We cover how the race unfolded and his experiences along the route as well discussing comparisons b…

01:00:42  |   Tue 28 Jan 2025
#84 Julia Davis

#84 Julia Davis

On this episode I speak to ultra runner and coach Julia Davis.

We turned this chat into a travelogue of sorts, talking about Julia's running experiences donning the GB vest to race in India, her lov…

01:04:02  |   Tue 28 Jan 2025
#83 Winter Downs 200: Race Special

#83 Winter Downs 200: Race Special

In this episode of Trail and Error Tris is back on the start line... for the Centurion Running Winter Downs 200 race. 


200 miles obviously an extremely long race, and Tris's longest attempted one’r …

01:22:04  |   Sun 29 Dec 2024
#82 Chris Kelly

#82 Chris Kelly

In this episode of Trail and Error we talk to endurance runner and coach Chris Kelly.

A former footballer, hip surgery in 2016 forced Chris to look at sport in a new way and thankfully he discovered …

00:50:49  |   Sun 29 Dec 2024
#80 Luke Grenfell-Shaw

#80 Luke Grenfell-Shaw

In this episode we talk to Luke Grenfell-Shaw, a member of the Brooks Running trail running team and cancer survivor.


Luke was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer in 2018 at the age of just 24. Far from …

01:01:15  |   Tue 22 Oct 2024
#79 UTMB: TDS Race Special

#79 UTMB: TDS Race Special

Jay heads over to Chamonix to take on the TDS.


A race with 9400m of elevation change over 145km of remote alpine trails, the TDS has a formidable reputation for difficulty and testing the endurance…

01:08:35  |   Fri 13 Sep 2024
#78 Arc of Attrition by UTMB

#78 Arc of Attrition by UTMB

In this episode Tris and Jay talk to the team behind the iconic Cornish winter endurance race the Arc of Attrition and learn about what's changing and what's staying the same with 'The Arc' now that …

01:15:14  |   Mon 26 Aug 2024
#77 How Not to Fail at TDS

#77 How Not to Fail at TDS

In this episode Jay is joined by Stephen Cousins of Film My Run and friend and runner Richard Hurdle as they discuss their experiences of TDS over the past 5 years.


Starts tactics, the never ending…

01:11:08  |   Wed 07 Aug 2024
#76 Cape Wrath - Bonus Material

#76 Cape Wrath - Bonus Material

As promised, here is the bonus audio recorded by Jay with guests Stephen Cousins and James Forbes, after each day on the Cape Wrath 2024 Ultra. And at the end there is an interview with Event Directo…

01:47:06  |   Tue 18 Jun 2024
#75 Cape Wrapup (Cape Wrath 2024 Race Special)

#75 Cape Wrapup (Cape Wrath 2024 Race Special)

Jay takes on the 400km Cape Wrath Ultra along with friends Stephen Cousins and James Forbes


Winding along the route of the historic Cape Wrath Trail from Fort William at the base of the Great Glen t…

01:56:35  |   Mon 17 Jun 2024
#74 Cape Wrath Ultra Prep

#74 Cape Wrath Ultra Prep

Jay takes on the Cape Wrath Ultra by Ourea Events from May 19th and he’s joined on this episode by fellow race participants James Forbes of Trench Foot Cream and Stephen Cousins of the YouTube channe…

01:08:23  |   Wed 15 May 2024
#73 Laura O'Driscoll

#73 Laura O'Driscoll

This is available as a video episode on the Trail & Error YouTube channel.


Laura O’ Driscoll is an ultra runner, cyclist, swimmer and yoga instructor. Laura has clocked up numerous races in her time…

01:02:44  |   Fri 05 Apr 2024
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