The Hard Way Out

Join us for episode 23, where Lee goes down a rabbit hole about why things don't work well anymore in the world. We also mix in a little humor where we chat about animal scavenger hunts, rolling hous…

Join us for episode 22 where we talk about what FEAR really is...

How are monsters under the bed for children comparable to problems in the future for adults?

Why is telling a child, "There's no such t…

Join us for some laughs about a whole lotta nothing in episode 21. 

We'll be back to our regularly scheduled programming in episode 22, where we talk about our deepest fears.

Join us for episode 19, where we talk about what jealousy is and the best way to overcome it (hint: it's not easy). 

We share personal stories of how jealousy has affected our lives in the aftermath o…

Join us for Episode 18, where we sit down with Lee's brother, Andrew, and his wife Holly. 

Andrew, Holly, and their kiddos came to stay with us recently and we coerced them to sit down and record a po…

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In episode 17, we continue chatting about the steps we took after betrayal. In part one, we spoke of how our faith initially helped us forgive, but time p…

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Many of you have asked us to talk about how we've built a thriving marriage after betrayal. Because this topic is so deep, episode 16 only covers the steps …

We strayed from our norm in episode 15 and didn't talk about anything serious. I can't believe we were successful! Well, let me (Carrie) clarify. We talked about my massive fear of cockroaches and fi…

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In episode 14 of The Hard Way Out, we sit down and chat for TWO amazing hours with traumatic breathwork healer, Katie Hopson. 

I, Carrie,  have been working …

Don't worry, Amy G isn't another woman. I mean, she might be, but that's not what we're talking about on this episode. ;)

Amy G. Dala is a helpful mnemonic to remember the part of the brain called the…

Episode 12 is the second of several episodes where we talk about healthy communication and why it's important in your relationships. Struggles in communication are what we hear about ALL the time, an…

Have you ever heard something 50 times only to have it hit differently on that 51st time?  Well, that's what happened to me (Carrie) on a recent flight home from Minneapolis. 

As I was watching a show…

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You've been asking for it and we're delivering - an intro into COMMUNICATION.  

Communica…

In this episode, Lee and Carrie chat about the final two personality traits that fall under the Big Five. Listen along as they discuss their similarities and differences with conscientious and openne…

Extraversion is one of the Big Five Personality traits. People high in extraversion are usually outgoing and energized by social situations. On the opposite end of the spectrum, people who are higher…

On the scale of agreeableness, Carrie falls around the 99th percentile (highly agreeable), whereas Lee falls around the 1st percentile (highly disagreeable). 

In short, Carrie's too nice and Lee isn't…