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Holding Up The Ladder

A podcast about the creative process - the how, the why.

Most artists are inspired by more than just their own medium – so even though podcast host, Matshidiso is a musician, the Arts more broadly, politics, people – in short, life informs the music she makes.

And why ‘Holding up the ladder?’ Because we’re all trying to get somewhere and Matshidiso believes we not only further the arts but each other if we ‘hold up the ladder’ rather than pull the ladder up from under us as we climb.


Website: holdinguptheladder.com

IG: @holdinguptheladder

Twiiter: @hutl_


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Update frequency
every 6 days
Average duration
51 minutes
Episodes
63
Years Active
2020 - 2025
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Zadie Smith & Devonté Hynes

Zadie Smith & Devonté Hynes

I can’t think of a better way to end season 4 and the never before heard conversations from my archive, than my conversation between friends, Zadie Smith and Devonté Hynes. I’d been badgering Zadie f…

01:24:52  |   Tue 10 Jun 2025
I've been thinking about...friendship (Pt 2)

I've been thinking about...friendship (Pt 2)

Welcome to part 2 of I've been thinking about...friendship. I talk about the importance of friendship and how pivotal it's been in my creative practice.



Holding up the Ladder links:

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00:08:14  |   Sat 07 Jun 2025
Francis Fuster (Pt 2)

Francis Fuster (Pt 2)

Welcome back to part 2 of my conversation with Francis Fuster. We pick up our conversation in London in the 1980's. Francis is playing percussion for Hugh Masekela, he's touring with Paul Simon and t…

00:42:02  |   Tue 03 Jun 2025
Francis Fuster (Pt 1)

Francis Fuster (Pt 1)

You’re in for a treat today! And a little interruption from conversations from my archive. I recently did a gig at London’s Jazz Cafe playing keys and singing for a special concert in honour of South…

00:52:29  |   Tue 27 May 2025
I've been thinking about...friendship (pt 1)

I've been thinking about...friendship (pt 1)

Today's episode of 'I've been thinking about' is a 2-parter and it's all about friendship and how it has impacted my practice. We talk about how much our families impact our lives, but not so much ou…

00:09:13  |   Sat 24 May 2025
Rich Harless (Pt 2)

Rich Harless (Pt 2)

Welcome back to the 2nd part of my conversation with Rich Harless. We caught up last month, and kick off our convo talking about how NFTs are no longer the hot topic, but the shift is to AI. And for …

00:40:38  |   Tue 20 May 2025
Rich Harless (Pt 1)

Rich Harless (Pt 1)

In this week's episode we’re talking tech, marketing, AI and the music industry with entrepreneur, Rich Harless.


Rich Harless is a Berlin-based, US-born entrepreneur and the founder of Feather, a comp…

00:58:54  |   Tue 13 May 2025
I've been thinking about...maturity, ageing - the process produces the sound

I've been thinking about...maturity, ageing - the process produces the sound

What makes an artist great, how does an artist become great? In today's episode of I've been thinking about, I explore the idea of maturity, ageing and process.


It seems to me that maturity, ageing in…

00:17:58  |   Sat 10 May 2025
Carri Twigg

Carri Twigg

In the latest never before heard conversation from my archive, we're talking about America. You may be feeling over saturated with America at the moment as the loudest, brashest voice in the geopolit…

01:14:00  |   Tue 06 May 2025
I've been thinking about...sacred spaces

I've been thinking about...sacred spaces

In today's episode of I've been thinking about, I explore the idea of sacred spaces. Drawing from the famous Virginia Woolf lecture, 'A Room of One's Own'. She wrote, ‘a woman must have money and a r…

00:14:50  |   Sat 03 May 2025
eL Seed

eL Seed

Who is art for? And how are we to engage with it? Should art be in museums or outside in parks, town squares or on the side of buildings? Is art the province of an elite few, the private collector, w…

00:49:26  |   Tue 29 Apr 2025
I've been thinking about...the music that made me

I've been thinking about...the music that made me

In this week's episode of IBTA I'm talking about the music that made me. About the seminal musical moments that shaped not just how I write music but who I am.



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00:10:19  |   Sat 26 Apr 2025
Rakeb Sile

Rakeb Sile


In today's episode of never before heard conversations from my archive, I speak with gallerist and co-founder of Addis Fine Art, Rakeb Sile.


Addis Fine Art specialises in modern and contemporary art f…

00:54:26  |   Tue 22 Apr 2025
I've been thinking about...making room for delight

I've been thinking about...making room for delight

Today's IBTA is about making room for delight. Recognising that allowing space for pleasure and delight is an essential component to our practice.


I also share a list of the things that bring me delig…

00:14:30  |   Sat 19 Apr 2025
Christian Allison

Christian Allison

In today's episode of never before heard conversations from my archive, I speak with portrait painter Christian Allison. Christian hails from Nigeria, a self-taught artist who left a career in engine…

00:48:30  |   Tue 15 Apr 2025
I've been thinking about...staring up at the sky

I've been thinking about...staring up at the sky

In this week's IBTA I talk about dreaming, pondering...day-dreaming. Why taking time out to dream is a necessary part of our work.


That art and Its utility isn’t measured by its function. Its utility …

00:09:20  |   Sat 12 Apr 2025
Adam Rogers

Adam Rogers

Welcome back! I’m so pleased to start this series of never before heard conversations from my archive with a dear friend of mine - photographer, artist and co-founder of menswear brand Adret, Adam Ro…

01:02:11  |   Tue 08 Apr 2025
I've been thinking about...Us

I've been thinking about...Us

To kick of Season 4 we start with a new segment where I share things I've been thinking about pertaining to the creative process, it's called 'I’ve been thinking about' (IBTA)


The first IBTA is a mani…

00:07:42  |   Sat 05 Apr 2025
Season 4 - Trailer

Season 4 - Trailer

Welcome back, it's been a long time! Season 4 is special as I'll be sharing never before heard conversations from my archive. We've also got a new segment called 'I've been thinking about' where I sh…

00:02:20  |   Tue 01 Apr 2025
Salon Series I

Salon Series I

Holding up the Ladder Salon Series I


This episode is in collaboration with Black British Art, an arts platform that focuses on championing, educating, curating and advising on all that is Black Britis…

01:10:48  |   Tue 04 Jul 2023
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