The Collapse of Conscience

In this episode of Wild & Worthy, I sit down with Martin Lass, a professional musician, longtime student of the esoteric, and former certified trainer of the Demartini Method. Martin spent fifteen years inside John Demartini’s Concourse of Wisdom before returning to the Gurdjieff Work, which he has studied and taught for nearly forty years.

Our conversation dives into the core mechanics of the collapse process taught within the Demartini Institute. Together we examine what really happens when emotional charge is forced into collapse, and the consequences this has on conscience, empathy, and creativity. Martin explains how collapsing charge can lead to temporary flashes of insight that quickly decay, leaving behind a strengthened ego, emotional flatness, and spiritual stagnation.

We also explore the dangers of bypassing real feeling. Conscience, Martin suggests, lives in the body and in our innate capacity to sense what is becoming or unbecoming of human behavior. When that compass is dulled or buried under ideology, the result is a distortion of empathy and a dangerous compliance with harmful ideas. From the teaching that “emotions are lies” to the claim that even acts of violence can be reframed as love, we unpack how moral agency and creative life can be eroded inside such systems.

Martin brings depth and clarity to these questions, drawing on his background in music, mysticism, and nearly four decades of spiritual study. This conversation is an invitation to reflect on the difference between collapsing emotional charge and truly transforming it, and why tension, conscience, and feeling are essential to authentic growth.

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