Upsample with Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff

Be careful out there or you'll get yelled at by shirtless dudes in Pontiacs! Will has a music library app now on his desktop, and Carson needs a new website (02:10), Bandcamp launches Clubs (08:38), …

Will LOVES that you don't read his emails. Subvert turned down $200K and want to launch with no fees (1:52), it's "AI Music Night" in Texas (18:15), We need skills to make the platform internet suck …

We have closure on The Velvet Sundown! Then we get into the very creative ticket pricing, or lack thereof, at Bumbershoot in Seattle and the Guelph Jazz Festival in Ontario (11:43), and a Vancouver c…

After clearing the WeTransfer air, we get into subvert.fm, a collectively owned music commerce platform in development. The Subvert team calls the platform a direct alternative to Bandcamp. We discus…

The story around Daniel Ek's military tech investments has reached a fever pitch, and nothing about it is likely to improve. Is now finally the time to quit using Spotify? We dive into Deerhoof's ann…

We're back from going to festivals! We kick it off in urban affairs with "The Uncertain Future of Granville Island" by Uytae Lee on the YouTube channel About Here (2:23), then swing into AI as Carson…

We hang at Carson’s house to celebrate 5 years of Will’s music website Rhythm Changes! We talk about:

(2:28) The very beginning of RC in the summer of 2020 with 50 email sign-ups,

(7:11) “The worst …

Shout-out to our friends in The Shorties! We then get into a story called "Why it’s Time to Support Grassroots Venues with a £1 Ticket Levy" by Dan McCarthy in The Quietus (5:09), an out-of-nowhere b…

After Will admits to giving Meta his money again, we get into a big hairy question: what is the meaning of ‘labour’ we use in the arts (03:14)? Anti-streaming labour activism (14:21), the labour econ…

We're back and Will has a camera! We talk about the story Carson shared called "'A Billion Streams and No Fans': Inside a $10 Million AI Music Fraud Case", by Kate Knibbs of WIRED (3:07), Spotify tra…

Up-front, Will daydreams about folk guitar following his Brentwood show and longs for advertiser bucks. We have a hard time not staying depressed about the lack of advice for the next generation, whi…

Spotify's favourite metric? We don't love it. We can't even guess our own monthly listener figures!

Recs: Carson - Blue Prince, Will - 2025 NHL playoffs (Leafs, Oilers, Jets)

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After Carson reviews the latest Bon Iver album, we discuss a controversial, but relatively tame and annoying online jazz battle: Patrick Bartley’s #BoycottAI vs. JazzMemes' Chase Maddox with the blog…

We’re live! To celebrate, we get into the topic that brought us together for the idea of this podcast in the first place: Liz Pelly’s book Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfe…

After Will airs his grievances about "promotional partnerships", we smooth our brains by emptying thoughts about streaming and the labour economy of music today, in anticipation of the next episode o…

How the heck did we end up on our musical and non-musical career paths? Is there a rise and fall of careerism in music? We uncover stories from our random walks through school and work so far.

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We revisit each of our main previous think-pieces: Carson's “Big Things Coming” at Rhythm Changes published in 2023 and Will’s episode of The Strong Towns Podcast recorded in April 2022.

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In the first-ever episode of the show, we discuss Brandon Shaw’s iPod series of videos from his YouTube channel called Digging The Greats. Find it starting here at part 1 of 4.

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