In Session 12 - Arno Michaelis: Author, Anti-Extremism Activist and Former White Nationalist (Side B) - 361
- Author
- Bleav + Unsung Podcast
- Published
- Mon 12 May 2025
- Episode Link
- https://bleav.com/shows/unsung-podcast/?post_type=gp_podcast_episode&p=437
In part two of our interview Arno Michaelis, we navigate the bizarre intersection of music, ideology, and redemption.
If you've ever wondered how extremist movements actually work, this offers some great insight. Arno gives us the inside scoop on how a skinhead band like Centurion shifted 20,000 records whilst still getting royally ripped off by their label boss.
We also chat about right wing ideology and symbolism, as Arno discusses how antisemitism serves as what "the connective tissue" that binds seemingly opposing extremist groups together.
We delve into the psychological mechanics too. Taking in everything from Norse fantasy to Tolkien, as well as the very large psychological leaps bands like Skrewdriver had to take to justify playing rock n roll music and Jewish cabaret tunes. Arno also talks about how the music of the Beastie Boys was something of a saving grace as he exited the movement, and he tells us about how a MySpace message in the early 00s regarding his former band, Centurion, led him to reckon with the legacy of poison he created. Whilst also giving him the impetus to try to be a force for good in the world.
Grab a cuppa and dive in.
Highlights:
00:00 Introduction and Conspiracy Culture
00:14 Steve's Transformation and Ideological Shift
00:53 The Neo-Nazi Rally Experience
02:58 Influence of the Church of the Creator
04:50 Disillusionment and Internal Conflicts
10:33 The Music Scene and White Power Bands
19:57 Tattoos and Symbolism in the Movement
26:47 Fantasy, Mythology, and White Nationalism
30:35 Symbolism and Corruption
30:50 The Mystique of Subcultures
31:46 Esoteric Symbols and Internet Mechanics
32:49 Trends in Holocaust Denial
34:12 Healthy Introspection vs. Obfuscation
35:53 Indicators of Radicalisation
41:35 The Role of Martial Arts in Youth Development
50:52 The Impact of Good Coaches and Mentors
53:00 Current Trends in Radicalisation
58:13 Arno's Musical Journey and Final Thoughts
