Hello listeners, We have indeed gone into 2020. But I reckon it has been a very bumpy transfer of the year for many people. Particularly in this current strange and fearful coronavirus pandemic time, I wish everyone stay safe at home and keep positive. I hope this podcast could bring you some stress relief and a contact to the art at home. This first episode of 2020, is a conversation made in December 2019 between Zamara Zamara, Emanuel Rodriguez and I. It was just before Emanuel returned to his home country Costa Rico. In the conversation, Emanuel shared his experience of visiting MONA at the first time, in particularly his personal experience of visiting Alfredo Jaar’s spectacular installation titled The Divine Comedy shown at MONA at that time. Joined with Emanuel, Zamara talked about their experiences of seeing some performance artworks in Documenta 14 and the 57th Venice Biennale in 2017. Please enjoy listening this episode. More episodes will come up shortly. **Apology for the mistake in this episode: The title of Alfredo Jaar's work shown in MONA is The Divine Comedy. Episode Notes: Speakers: Emanuel Rodriguez Chaves http://www.emanuelrodriguez.net Zamara Zamara http://zamarazamara.com The artists and exhibitions talked about in this episode: Alfredo Jaar https://alfredojaar.net/projects/ “The Divine Comedy” 2019 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=470846330447160 Peter Greenaway https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000425/ James Turrell http://jamesturrell.com Jamie McCartney The Great Wall of Vagina (2008) https://jamiemccartney.com Tino Sehgal Living Memory 2016 https://www.artnews.com/art-news/reviews/living-memory-tino-sehgal-takes-over-pariss-palais-de-tokyo-with-300-performers-and-a-few-friends-7186/ Aphids www.aphids.net