In this episode, I had two good friends: Ann McGinley (Melbourne) and Sarah Pirrie (Darwin) to chat about their recent engagements with the art. Ann share with us her experiences of doing two international artist-in-residence programs: at Studio Kura (Japan) and Hotel St Valière (France). Comparing with the two programs in two countries, she spoke about the material and psychological challenges and benefits of doing these residencies as a painters. Following Ann, Sarah told us about her unique experience of visiting two art exhibitions in Hobart: Tidal.18 at Devonport Gallery and Zero at Mona, with her Mum, who had impaired vision. Sarah found herself at the first time to look at the artworks and navigate art gallery spaces through her Mum's eyes. The related links: Two artists: Ann McGinley http://www.annmcginley.net Sarah Pirrie http://www.sarahpirrie.com The artist-in-residence programs Ann participated: Hotel St Valière in Langeudoc - South France http://hotelsaintevaliere.com/contact/ Manager of Hotel St Valière: Eloise Caleo Studio Kura, Japan https://studiokura.info/en/ Sarah’s residency program Bundanon Trust artist in residency program https://bundanon.com.au The exhibitions and artworks seen by Sarah and her Mum Devonport gallery Tidal.18 https://www.devonportgallery.com/index02.php?id=27&pl=9 Julia Davis - Winner of Tidal.18 For her video work ‘Undercurrent’ http://www.juliadavis.com.au/Undercurrent MACq01 hotel https://www.macq01.com.au Mona https://mona.net.au Zero - Mona https://mona.net.au/museum/exhibitions James Turrell http://jamesturrell.com Polumbo Randy http://polumbo.com/BIO-CV Grotto For MONA http://polumbo.com/Grotto-for-MONA Greg Taylor and Friends Cunts… and other conversations 2008 - II David Young - sound composer https://aphids.net/about/ The dinner: Fish, rice and Chinese broccoli