What's Going On With Leadership in the Church, Giving People a Place To Be Real, & The Story Behind The Song feat. Natural State

In this episode, Joel sits down with Halley and Dell from "Natural State" to talk about their new songs, what seems to be going on with leadership in the church these days, enabling people to have a space to be real and feel through their music, and their single "So Real."


"So Real" by Natural State is the outro for this episode (stream it everywhere)