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Does China Own Apple? With Patrick McGee

Author
Steve Eisman
Published
Thu 05 Jun 2025
Episode Link
https://realeismanplaybook.podbean.com/e/does-china-own-apple-with-patrick-mcgee/

In this episode, Steve Eisman delves into the intricate and often overlooked story of Apple’s manufacturing evolution over the past two decades, focusing on its deep entanglement with China. Steve interviews Patrick McGee, author of ‘Apple in China,’ unraveling how Apple moved its production almost entirely to China by the end of 2010. The discussion explores Apple’s transition from localized production to heavily outsourcing manufacturing, the role of suppliers in driving these changes, and the geopolitical ramifications of Apple’s deep ties with China. The conversation highlights Tim Cook’s key role in this shift, the innovative prowess of Chinese manufacturers, and the operational challenges Apple faces in diversifying production away from China. The episode underscores the complex relationship between Apple and China, shedding light on the broader implications for U.S.-China relations and how the company’s reliance on China poses significant risks.


00:00 Intro


02:25 Apple's Manufacturing Journey in the 90s


05:54 Tim Cook's Impact on Apple's Manufacturing


07:18 The Long March to China


09:05 The Role of Contract Manufacturers


14:30 China's Manufacturing Ecosystem


18:32 Apple's Influence on China's Manufacturing


25:29 The Apple Squeeze and Its Implications


26:56 Apple's Talent Migration to Competitors


27:24 Xi Jinping's Impact on Apple in China


27:44 Apple's Rapid Growth in China


28:51 Apple's Struggles with Chinese Regulations


30:00 Apple's Strategy to Win Over China


33:05 The Rise of Chinese Competitors


39:51 Challenges of Manufacturing Outside China


45:02 Apple's Political and Economic Bind


46:17 Concluding Thoughts on Apple's China Dilemma


 


You can find more about Patrick McGee's work here: https://patrick-mcgee.com/


 


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"Tim Cook with Chongqing Mayor Huang in Apple Jiefangbei" by Junyi Lou is licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0.


 


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