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Codename Pale Horse: Lessons from an FBI Undercover Agent

Author
Ontic
Published
Wed 11 Jun 2025
Episode Link
https://ontics-protective-intelligence-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/codename-pale-horse-lessons-from-an-fbi-undercover-agent-YZTRHsIb

Join Fred Burton as he sits down with retired FBI special agent Scott Payne to explore his 28-year career, including daring undercover missions within extremist groups and insights into modern-day radicalization. Scott shares gripping stories from his book, Codename Pale Horse, offering an up-close look at how extremist tactics have evolved and the impact of his infiltration work. Listeners will gain valuable advice on corporate security, threat monitoring, and staying resilient in high-stress environments.

You'll learn:

  • How extremist groups operate and recruit, and learn why understanding their tactics is key to effective threat management
  • Actionable insights for corporate security teams, including ways to identify and mitigate internal and external risks
  • Scott’s firsthand experiences of living undercover and his strategies for managing the psychological toll of high-stakes work

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