The Next China Is Still China: Rui Ma (Part 2) on Tech, Tensions & Transformation

In Part 2 of our conversation with Rui Ma on The Negotiation podcast, we explore the evolving consumer tech and innovation landscape in China beyond AI. Rui shares her analysis on the rise of local life services, humanoid robotics, and China's dominance in electric vehicles—highlighting the factors propelling growth and the remaining roadblocks.

We also zoom out to explore the broader dynamics between the U.S. and China’s tech ecosystems. Rui discusses rising tensions, how media and policy shape U.S. perceptions of Chinese tech, and whether meaningful collaboration is still possible.

Finally, Rui reflects on the future of China tech and whether she still believes—as she’s said before—that “the next China is China.” Listen for sharp insights, fresh perspectives, and a grounded look at where things might be headed.

Discussion Points:

• The transformation of China’s consumer tech and local life services landscape
• China's rise in the EV market and what’s fueling it
• The state of humanoid robotics in China vs. the U.S.
• U.S. public and governmental attitudes toward Chinese tech
• How geopolitical tensions are creating siloed ecosystems
• The role of Western media in shaping perceptions of Chinese innovation
• Strategies for fostering cooperation and countering bias
• Rui’s long-term outlook for China’s tech sector