Finding Meaningless

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Without their anchor Drew, Jeremy and Jennifer dive into uncharted waters, steering a conversation that feels surprisingly intimate and revealing. What begins as a search for a new podcast name evolves into a profound exploration of life's seasons and transitions.

Jeremy shares a powerful metaphor that's been transforming his counseling practice - viewing life as a four-act play. The warrior phase (birth to 25) establishes our origin story. The king/queen phase (25-50) finds us building and maintaining our kingdoms while often feeling the weight of responsibility. The lover phase (50-75) brings the harvest of experience coupled with wisdom. And for those fortunate enough to reach it, the sage phase (75+) offers a sweet winter where others come to you for guidance.

The conversation weaves between deeply philosophical insights and hilariously candid moments. Jennifer and Jeremy reminisce about their turbulent "Act Two" marked by Jeremy's MS diagnosis and the challenges of raising young children. They debate which characters from "The Summer I Turned Pretty" need the most counseling, share a recent pregnancy scare that led to serious contraception discussions, and recall the chaotic early days of parenthood when baby Hutch peed into an electrical socket during his first diaper change.

Through laughter and occasional vulnerability, they demonstrate how relationships evolve across life's acts - from the passionate warriors they were when they married too young to the exhausted administrators of middle life, and now as they glimpse the approaching autumn phase with both apprehension and curiosity.

For anyone feeling stuck between life stages or wondering if their exhaustion is normal, this episode offers both validation and perspective. Which act are you in, and how's the transition going? Join the conversation and share your thoughts on our new podcast name options!