episode 022: Jackie Kai Ellis & Joe Chan

Jackie Kai Ellis and Joe Chan have a gentle, beautiful cadence together as a couple. An author, entrepreneur, advice columnist & creator, Jackie founded the much-loved Beaucoup Bakery, The Paris Tours, APT La Fayette and penned a national best-selling memoir. A partner at Vancouver’s oldest law firm, Joe co-founded the late food blog Vancouver Slop and serves on the board of directors for the Dr Sun Yat Sen Classical Chinese Garden.

Joe and Jackie both grew up in close-knit families, where Chinese culture, food, and creativity were essential in their childhoods and into their teens. Jackie found a way to pursue her love for art after university, and Joe spent 13 years working at a radio station in Calgary, while writing about music and culture.

In this conversation, we do deep exploring their respective childhoods, Jackie’s reflections on her Beaucoup Bakery and Paris life chapter, Joe’s passionate activism for Hong Kong, how they first met, how they found each other again after a five-year separation and what they learned about themselves and each other during that time, what they want to leave behind in the world together, and much more.