Join us for an insightful episode of The Chief Exchange Podcast as we sit down with Chief Aaron Lipski of Milwaukee Fire Department and Chief Dennis Rubin of Kansas City Kansas Fire Department. In this episode, we delve into critical topics such as diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the fire service, the importance of a strong relationship between administration and unions, and the debate over entering abandoned, burning buildings. Discover strategies to ensure firefighters reach retirement healthy and ready for the next chapter. With decades of experience and leadership, Chiefs Lipski and Rubin provide valuable perspectives and practical advice for current and future fire service leaders.