204 – Simulacra Levels with Zvi (and more)

We speak with Zvi Mowshowitz about his work and recent history, what happened at OpenAI, and then really dig into Simulacra Levels – a way to categorize the different types of things people are attempting to do when they say words to other people.

OTHER LINKS

Zvi’s Simulacra Levels Summary

Less Wrong Simulacra Page

Zvi on the Clearer Thinking podcast re Simulacra

Zvi on OpenAI’s Battle of the Board

On Bounded Distrust

Zvi’s Substack

Zvi’s Twitter

You Get About Five Words

More Dakka

0:00:23 – Zvi’s many exploits with rationalism

0:26:13 – What happened at OpenAI?

0:41:49 – Simulacra Level 1

0:45:43 – Simulacra Level 2

1:02:38 – Simulacra Level 3

1:11:02 – Why these terms?

1:18:19 – 1-3 Recap

1:22:15 – Simulacra Level 4

1:42:56 – Less Wrong Posts

1:59:17 – Guild of the Rose Update

2:00:33 – Thank the Patron



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LessWrong Sequence Posts Discussed in this Episode:

Searching for Bayes-Structure

Conditional Independence, and Naive Bayes

Next Sequence Posts:

Words as Mental Paintbrush Handles

Variable Question Fallacies