Grant Cameron; Beyond Managing Magic pt.1

**Part 1 of 2**



I am joined by renowned UFO researcher & author, Grant Cameron for over 2 hours and 30 minutes to discuss;



His new book "Beyond Managing Magic"

How the book changed and why

Secret keepers in UFOlogy

Tom DeLonge's journey

Current state of Disclosure

Why it isnt 'ET'

And much much more



Grants website; https://whitehouseufo.blogspot.com/

Grants youtube; https://www.youtube.com/c/whitehouseufo



Consider signing up to support the pod for early, ad-free access from as little as the price of a coffee; check out all platforms via ⁠⁠Linktr.ee/ufouapam⁠





Get in touch with the show;



Twitter: @UFOUAPAM



Facebook, YouTube & Instagram: "That UFO Podcast"



YouTube: ⁠⁠YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast⁠⁠



Email: ⁠⁠[email protected]





All podcast links & associated links;



⁠⁠Linktr.ee/ufouapam⁠



⁠⁠ThatUFOPodcast.com⁠⁠



⁠⁠Linktr.ee/TheZignal⁠⁠





Don't forget to subscribe, like and leave a review of the show





Enjoy folks,



Andy