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Everything we believe is happening, and is real, is just as much a dream as the sleeping dream.  What is the realisation when waking from a sleeping dream, we realise none of it was real.   It is only when we wake we realise that non of it was real.  Lets assume that this too is a dream, we are convinced its real.  We know the sleeping dream isn't real, but this is.  Excerpt from interview with David Richards. 

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