In this conversation, Terrie Hellard-Brown and Jill Baughan explore the concept of joy, especially in the context of everyday discipleship and parenting. Jill shares her personal experiences and insights on how to find joy amidst life's challenges, emphasizing the importance of intentionality and hope. They discuss Jill's new book, 'No Matter What,' which serves as a devotional guide to help readers cultivate joy in their lives. The conversation also touches on the coexistence of joy and sorrow, illustrated through personal anecdotes, including a memorable story about a chimpanzee that brought laughter and joy to a family gathering.