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Burnout to Backbone: The Story Behind She Who Dares Wins

Author
Michelle Hands
Published
Mon 01 Sep 2025
Episode Link
https://shows.acast.com/she-who-dares-wins/episodes/burnout-to-backbone-the-story-behind-she-who-dares-wins

Bex flips the script and puts Michelle in the hot seat. We get into the messy middle: pivoting from acting to construction to podcasting, the burnout that forced a reset, money honesty, why community matters, and how to build something you care about without losing your mind (or your keys).


Key takeaways

  • You don’t need to burn it all down to pivot—build the bridge while you’re still on it.
  • Self-awareness is a double-edged sword; pair it with action and data, not doom-scroll metrics.
  • Ask for help. Community is a strategy, not a weakness.
  • Defiance gets you to the start line; consistency gets you to the finish.
  • “Enough” is a number and a feeling—separate business goals from ego.
  • Use “What’s the evidence?” to challenge your inner critic (and your hype).
  • Purpose = entertain + storytelling + empower — let it steer decisions.
  • Stoicism (and tiny proofs) beat perfectionism.
  • Women: price your value like “the average white guy” energy you joked about—confident and clear.
  • IRL > online: in-person conversations and live shows build loyalty faster than another Zoom.


Timestamps

  • 00:00 Tables turn—Bex takes the host chair; why new listeners need Michelle’s backstory
  • 03:30 Regret & return: film/directing dreams, auditions, and circling back to storytelling
  • 06:30 The hard truth about building a show: ups/downs, data over dopamine
  • 13:10 Counting the invisible work: two episodes, a shoot, kids, and keeping perspective
  • 17:40 The email exercise that changed everything (friends define you at your best)
  • 19:30 From geography grad to construction—“fake it till you make it” and finding your edge
  • 23:10 Burnout → pivot to podcasting; choosing the hardest thing on purpose
  • 28:30 Learning from guests (Tim Ferriss vibe) and stitching lessons into tools for listeners (great mid-roll slot)
  • 31:45 Seasick on a fishing boat: why terrible days make great stories
  • 36:00 Marathon mindset: hubris vs. habits; micro-wins beat impulse
  • 39:15 ADHD, dopamine, and doing the boring bits your future self needs
  • 50:00 Stoicism, Ryan Holiday, and the “Daily proof > daily mood” approach
  • 52:00 What “winning” means now; the three-word filter: entertain, storytelling, empower
  • 55:10 Clothing with meaning vs. “just merch”; why the brand has to feel like a tribe
  • 56:30 What’s next: live shows with community Q&A; collab with Laura (BRB)

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