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Scaling Laws

Scaling Laws explores (and occasionally answers) the questions that keep OpenAI’s policy team up at night, the ones that motivate legislators to host hearings on AI and draft new AI bills, and the ones that are top of mind for tech-savvy law and policy students. Co-hosts Alan Rozenshtein, Professor at Minnesota Law and Research Director at Lawfare, and Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas and Senior Editor at Lawfare, dive into the intersection of AI, innovation policy, and the law through regular interviews with the folks deep in the weeds of developing, regulating, and adopting AI. They also provide regular rapid-response analysis of breaking AI governance news.

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Update frequency
every 4 days
Average duration
52 minutes
Episodes
173
Years Active
2022 - 2025
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AI and the Future of Work: Joshua Gans on Navigating Job Displacement

AI and the Future of Work: Joshua Gans on Navigating Job Displacement

Joshua Gans, a professor at the University of Toronto and co-author of "Power and Prediction: The Disruptive Economics of Artificial Intelligence," joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fell…

00:57:56  |   Thu 11 Sep 2025
The State of AI Safety with Steven Adler

The State of AI Safety with Steven Adler

Steven Adler, former OpenAI safety researcher, author of Clear-Eyed AI on Substack, and independent AGI-readiness researcher, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Te…

00:47:23  |   Tue 09 Sep 2025
Contrasting and Conflicting Efforts to Regulate Big Tech: EU v. US

Contrasting and Conflicting Efforts to Regulate Big Tech: EU v. US

Anu Bradford, Professor at Columbia Law School, and Kate Klonick, Senior Editor at Lawfare and Associate Professor at St. John's University School of Law, join Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fe…

00:46:15  |   Tue 02 Sep 2025
Uncle Sam Buys In: Examining the Intel Deal

Uncle Sam Buys In: Examining the Intel Deal

Peter E. Harrell, Adjunct Senior Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at La…
00:47:34  |   Thu 28 Aug 2025
AI in the Classroom with MacKenzie Price, Alpha School co-founder, and Rebecca Winthrop, leader of the Brookings Global Task Force on AI in Education

AI in the Classroom with MacKenzie Price, Alpha School co-founder, and Rebecca Winthrop, leader of the Brookings Global Task Force on AI in Education

MacKenzie Price, co-founder of Alpha School, and Rebecca Winthrop, a senior fellow and director of the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings Institution, join Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovati…

01:20:43  |   Tue 26 Aug 2025
The Open Questions Surrounding Open Source AI with Nathan Lambert and Keegan McBride

The Open Questions Surrounding Open Source AI with Nathan Lambert and Keegan McBride

Keegan McBride, Senior Policy Advisor in Emerging Technology and Geopolitics at the Tony Blair Institute, and Nathan Lambert, a post-training lead at the Allen Institute for AI, join Alan Rozenshein,…

00:45:17  |   Thu 21 Aug 2025
Export Controls: Janet Egan, Sam Winter-Levy, and Peter Harrell on the White House's Semiconductor Decision

Export Controls: Janet Egan, Sam Winter-Levy, and Peter Harrell on the White House's Semiconductor Decision

Alan Rozenshtein, research director at Lawfare, sat down with Sam Winter-Levy, a fellow in the Technology and International Affairs Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; Janet Eg…

00:53:37  |   Tue 19 Aug 2025
Navigating AI Policy: Dean Ball on Insights from the White House

Navigating AI Policy: Dean Ball on Insights from the White House

Join us on Scaling Laws as we delve into the intricate world of AI policy with Dean Ball, former senior policy advisor at the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy. Discover the behin…
00:58:11  |   Thu 14 Aug 2025
The Legal Maze of AI Liability: Anat Lior on Bridging Law and Emerging Tech

The Legal Maze of AI Liability: Anat Lior on Bridging Law and Emerging Tech

In this episode, we talk about the intricate world of AI liability through the lens of agency law. Join us as Anat Lior explores the compelling case for using agency law to address the legal challeng…
00:46:41  |   Tue 12 Aug 2025
Values in AI: Safety, Ethics, and Innovation with OpenAI's Brian Fuller

Values in AI: Safety, Ethics, and Innovation with OpenAI's Brian Fuller

Brian Fuller, product policy leader at OpenAI joins Kevin on the challenges of designing policies that ensure AI technologies are safe, aligned, and socially beneficial. From the fast-paced landscape…
00:50:28  |   Thu 07 Aug 2025
Because of Woke: Renée DiResta and Alan Rozenshtein on the ‘Woke AI’ Executive Order

Because of Woke: Renée DiResta and Alan Rozenshtein on the ‘Woke AI’ Executive Order

Renée DiResta, an Associate Research Professor at the McCourt School of Public Policy at Georgetown join Alan Rozenshtein and Kevin Frazier, to take a look at the Trump Administration’s Woke AI polic…
00:46:48  |   Tue 05 Aug 2025
Moving the AGI Goal Posts: AI Skepticism with Sayash Kapoor

Moving the AGI Goal Posts: AI Skepticism with Sayash Kapoor

In this episode of Scaling Laws, Kevin Frazier is joined by Sayash Kapoor, co-author of "AI Snake Oil," to explore the complexities of AI development and its societal implications. They delve into th…
00:58:32  |   Thu 31 Jul 2025
A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman

A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman

In this episode, join Kevin Frazier as he delves into the complex world of AI regulation with experts Lauren Wagner of the Abundance Institute and Andrew Freedman, Chief Strategy Officer at Fathom. A…

00:55:30  |   Wed 30 Jul 2025
A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman

A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman

In this episode, join Kevin Frazier as he delves into the complex world of AI regulation with experts Lauren Wagner of the Abundance Institute and Andrew Freedman, Chief Strategy Officer at Fathom. A…

00:55:30  |   Tue 29 Jul 2025
AI Action Plan: Janet Egan, Jessica Brandt, Neil Chilson, and Tim Fist

AI Action Plan: Janet Egan, Jessica Brandt, Neil Chilson, and Tim Fist

Janet Egan, Senior Fellow with the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security, Jessica Brandt, Senior Fellow for Technology and National Security at the Counci…

01:03:21  |   Thu 24 Jul 2025
Lt. Gen Jack Shanahan: Defense's AI Integration

Lt. Gen Jack Shanahan: Defense's AI Integration

Lt. Gen. (ret) Jack Shanahan joins Kevin Frazier to explore the nuanced landscape of AI in national security. Challenging the prevalent "AI arms race" narrative. The discussion delves into the comple…
00:55:45  |   Tue 22 Jul 2025
Eugene Volokh: Navigating Libel and Liability in the AI Age

Eugene Volokh: Navigating Libel and Liability in the AI Age

Kevin Frazier brings Eugene Volokh, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and UCLA law professor, to explore the complexities of libel in the age of AI. Discover how AI-generated content challeng…
00:58:29  |   Thu 17 Jul 2025
Cass Madison and Zach Boyd: State Level AI Regulation

Cass Madison and Zach Boyd: State Level AI Regulation

Cass Madison, the Executive Director of the Center for Civic Futures, and Zach Boyd, Director of the AI Policy Office at the State of Utah, join Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the Uni…
00:41:32  |   Tue 15 Jul 2025
Ethan Mollick: Navigating the Uncertainty of AI Development

Ethan Mollick: Navigating the Uncertainty of AI Development

In this episode of Scaling Laws, Alan and Kevin discuss the current state of AI growth, focusing on scaling laws, the future of AGI, and the challenges of AI integration into society with Ethan Molli…

01:06:11  |   Thu 10 Jul 2025
The AI Moratorium Goes Down in Flames

The AI Moratorium Goes Down in Flames

On the inaugural episode of Scaling Laws, co-hosts Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Law, and Alan Rozenshtein, Professor at …

00:55:32  |   Wed 02 Jul 2025
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