The following podcast was recorded at last year's Sage Hill Training, an in depth experiential training to help you bring your heart to the work you are called to do. In this podcast, Dr. Chip Dodd explores what hope is. He calls it the flame within us that is always there. It cannot be shut out. It is the pain of wishing that always remains no matter how painful life gets. If you are a therapist, pastor, or professional that works with people and you'd like to better equipped to help people live fully, we invite you to learn more about Sage Hill Training. You can visit sagehilltraining.com to find out more.