Poor Sleep, Big Pay Gaps, Culture Shifts: The State of Devs in 2025 with Sacha Greif

Sacha Greif, creator of the State of Devs 2025 survey, joins PodRocket to share insights on developer life beyond the code. We talk about sleep habits, mental health, job titles, workplace culture, and shifting values across regions. Learn why "engineer" titles often pay more, what developers worldwide think about Elon Musk, and how trends differ by country, gender, and company size.

Links

Website: https://sachagreif.com

X: https://x.com/sachagreif

Github: https://github.com/sachag

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sacha-greif-03b9a3255

Resources

State of Devs 2025: https://2025.stateofdevs.com/en-US

Chapters

00:00 Intro & State of Devs 2025 Overview

00:10 Why Developer Life Is More Than Code

00:39 From State of JavaScript to State of Devs

01:08 Expanding Surveys: AI & React Ecosystem

01:21 Developer Life Beyond Code

02:01 Designing Questions That Go Beyond Tech

02:17 Sleep, Health, and Hobbies in Developer Life

02:32 Reaching Underrepresented Groups in Tech Surveys

03:30 Women’s Participation Rises to 15%

04:00 Poor Sleep Tops Developer Health Issues

05:15 Gender Differences in Workplace Conflict Response

06:00 Average Developer Sleep: 6.9 Hours

07:00 What Sleep Data Reveals About Developer Life

09:15 Engineer vs Developer: Salary Gap Explained

11:00 Company Size, Job Titles, and Pay Differences

13:00 Inclusivity, Open Source, and Community Spaces

15:15 How Age Impacts Discrimination in Tech

17:00 Culture Shifts and Values in the Tech Industry

18:45 Younger vs Older Devs on Free Speech and Politics

20:30 Future Survey Topics: Leaders, Politics & Perception

22:45 What the Data Reveals About Developer Diversity

25:15 Using the Survey API to Explore Your Own Insights

26:30 Fun Data Point: Minecraft Players & Relationships

27:30 Predicting the Future of Developer Happiness

30:15 Closing Thoughts & How to Join Next Year’s Survey

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Special Guest: Sacha Greif.