Whatever this is... (with Rory Cellan-Jones)

Jane's still saying 'cwassant' and Fi is still perplexed. Plus, they chat Russell Brand, tactical clothes drying and parental correspondents.

They're joined by former BBC tech correspondent and journalist Rory Cellan-Jones to discuss his new book 'Ruskin Park: Sylvia, Me and the BBC'.

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