Self-care? Just get cats!

Sourdough starters, kombucha, mindfulness and jade vagina balls - has self care gone too far? Dr. Pooja Lakshmin thinks so. She joins Jane and Fi to help debunk the wellness industry and discuss her new book ‘Real Self-Care’.

Plus, Jane and Fi discuss Rod Stewart in a high-vis and street party ice breakers...

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