Looking at love from both sides and tripping up the escalator

Life is a roller coaster—it's true... And so is this episode, Jane and Fi chat photo montages, Elon Musk's nan, and Joni Mitchell.

Plus, civil rights lawyer Ben Crump and music industry exec Dorothy Carvello discuss Sean “Diddy” Combs, the music industry and Dorothy’s civil lawsuit against Atlantic Records.

Get your suggestions in for the next book club pick!

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