Surviving Hopelessness: Brian Wardale and Deborah Charman on Suicide, EMDR, and the Truth About Masculine Pain

In this powerful episode of Mind Over Masculinity, host Avik Chakraborty is joined by Deborah Charman and Brian Wardale, co-founders of Survivors of Hopelessness, for a raw and deeply moving conversation about male suicide, trauma healing, and emotional resilience. Brian shares his journey as a suicide attempt survivor, while Deborah opens up about her lifelong struggle with mental health and how EMDR therapy helped her find lasting healing. Together, they shed light on the silent pain many men carry and what it truly means to be seen—and saved—by vulnerability. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone navigating the darkest moments or supporting someone who is.

About the Guests
Brian Wardale is a suicide attempt survivor who almost lost his life in 2019. His story of survival and recovery is not just about enduring but about redefining what strength looks like in men.
Deborah Charman is an EMDR therapy advocate, published author of Spots on a Leopard, and co-creator of the youth-focused mental health program Survivors of Hopelessness. Her work focuses on early intervention, emotional literacy, and trauma recovery.

Key Takeaways

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  Male suicide is often silent—hiding behind strength, stoicism, and routine.

  
  


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  “Wait one more day” can be a life-saving message for someone in crisis.

  
  


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  EMDR therapy can unlock deep healing even after decades of trauma.

  
  


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  Masculinity should include emotional expression—not just endurance.

  
  


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  Community support, acknowledgment, and proactive communication are critical to recovery.

  
  

Connect with the Guests
Visit their website: www.survivorsofhopelessness.com
Use the "Reach Out" button to connect or explore their Pure Prevention youth program and free music video resource.

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