On a cool fall night in October, 2020, we surprised our kids and got married in the backyard of our home. The eight-year journey to that night was curved like a road through the mountains, with stops for each of us along the way. In this episode, we talk about some of them – the notion of “living in sin”, internalized homophobia, letting go of the past, and the lack of rituals for the ending of a first marriage. And how, for a time, just the thought of having a wedding was enough to stop us from having a marriage.