49 Tortoise: John Herndon & fistula round 2

Tortoises! We get the awesome John Herndon on this episode of Made of Things at Primavera Sound last year. John talks to Antonio about the feel of playing in Tortoise, being a fan of Dinosaur Jr, David Essex impressions, massaging grandmothers and Kiss movies. Also, we get weirdly interrupted on the podcast version and dad deals with fistula again.