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Behaviour as Learning: A Fresh Perspective for Educators

Author
Associate Professor Rebecca Cooper, Dr Russ Fox, Karina Stocker
Published
Mon 04 Aug 2025
Episode Link
https://lets-talk-teaching.simplecast.com/episodes/behaviour-as-learning-a-fresh-perspective-for-educators-_0HJ9tjs

Rather than reacting to misbehaviour, what if we approached it with the same planning and intention we bring to teaching literacy and numeracy in the classroom? 

In this episode, behaviour expert Dr Russ Fox and school leader Karina Stocker explain why behaviour should be treated as a skill - explicitly taught, consistently reinforced, and supported through clear expectations and structured routines. From embedding multi-tiered support systems (MTSS) to practical coaching and playbooks, they share how teachers and schools can build consistency, strengthen culture and support every learner.  

Whether you’re working within a whole-school framework or applying these principles in your own classroom, this episode offers grounded, practical strategies to help reduce the guesswork and make behaviour support sustainable. 

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Why behaviour should be taught, not managed - and what that looks like in practice.
  • The key principles of a multi-tiered support system (MTSS).
  • How school-wide consistency improves both learning and behaviour.
  • Practical strategies teachers can use when working without whole-school frameworks.
  • What real support for teachers looks like - and why they shouldn’t go it alone

Topics we explore:

(00:00) Introduction to Positive Behaviour Support
(02:16) Effective Approach to Behaviour Support
(02:55) Building Whole-School Systems and Consistency
(05:28) Support for Teacher Success
(07:12) Understanding Tiered Support Systems
(09:54) Building Relationships Through Behaviour Teaching
(11:05) Behaviour Is a Curriculum That Can Be Taught
(14:19) Setting Up Environments for Learner Success
(18:25) Helpful Environmental Starting Points
(20:57) Managing Teacher Workload and Practice
(24:37) Building Systems That Support Teachers
(30:43) Instructional and Daily Routines for Success
(32:46) Using Extrinsic Supports to Build Intrinsic Motivation
(33:32) Final Reflections on Teaching Behaviour

Resources: 

Special Guests: 

Dr Russ Fox
Lecturer, School of Educational Psychology & Counselling
Faculty of Education, Monash University
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Karina Stocker 
Multi-Tiered Systems of Support Leader,
Docklands Primary School, Melbourne 
Educational Consultant, Teacher and PhD Candidate
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