This week, Jairus sits down with consultant and former youth pastor Miche Trena to talk about his journey from ministry to nearly two decades of helping churches and nonprofits grow. They explore why tension isn’t always bad, how self-awareness and transparency can transform organizational culture, and the importance of honoring the past while pursuing innovation. Along the way, Miche shares personal stories, leadership lessons, and what excites him about his new business venture, upcoming travels, and even a newfound love of cigars.