Holding the key, Episode #5 ~ John Podmore on transforming our approach to sentencing

The Anglican Bishop for HM Prisons, the Right Revd Rachel Treweek, in conversation with John Podmore. In this fifth podcast in the series of 'Holding the Key: Unlocking the door to doing prison differently', John tells us, "We should be locking up people we’re scared of, not mad at."

John was a prison governor and inspector of prisons, and now acts as consultant with a particular interest in human rights and prison anti-corruption.

Bishop Rachel and John discuss potential ways to change the approach to using prisons and sentencing; "We don’t have prison problems, we have community problems."