In this episode of the Ignition Leadership Podcast, hosts Jamie and Bob Howarth discuss the crucial concept of 'frame of reference' in fire service leadership. They explore how various leadership perspectives shape decisions, emphasize the importance of understanding different viewpoints, and share personal experiences to underscore their points. Jamie and Bob also talk about the significance of effective communication, trust, and the mutual exchange of ideas across different ranks within the fire service. They highlight the growth that comes from hard conversations and emphasize the necessity of adaptability and open-mindedness in evolving with the fire service. Tune in and get insights that you can apply at any stage of your career.