The recovery journey is not just about yourself, but also about making ripples to change other people’s lives for the better. Tim Westbrook sits down with Matthew Handy, who shares how he is paying forward as a recovery leader after everything he went through. Breaking down his philosophy of “debt of recovery,” he explains how he used his first-hand experience with addiction treatments to build the vision and practices of his very own Handy Treatment Centers and Harmony Grove Behavioral Health. Matthew also discusses why suffering has its own share of benefits, the role of pain in achieving lasting transformation, and why there is still enlightenment to be found in relapses.