Ferociously Pro Pillow - Lloyd Vogel and the Garage Grown Gear Story

Former school teacher turned gear junkie and ultralight entrepreneur Lloyd Vogel steps out of his new warehouse and into the recording studio to chat with Doc about trails, gear, and Garage Grown Gear. During their wide-ranging discussion, Lloyd spills all the tea, including pigging and packing, the Minnesota Alps, his pillow obsession, barriers to entry, Jonathan Livingston Seagull, moving out of basements, maintaining relationships with 160+ brands, and how to guide a group of teenagers past a charging grizzly.