Contradictions of Nephi & Abinadi? (Joseph Spencer 2 of 3)

Are there contradictions between Nephi & Abinadi? Dr Joseph Spencer says Yes! He also makes the case that when Jesus quotes Isaiah in the Book of Mormon, it is really different than Abinadi, who is really different than Nephi. We'll also discuss why Joe isn't interested in the multiple Isaiah problem in the Book of Mormon. Check out our conversation...



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GT  00:23  But I do want to go back to this idea of approaching the Book of Mormon from how Joseph Smith translated it.



Joseph  00:31  Yes.



GT  00:31  So we start with Mosiah.



Joseph  00:33  Yes.



GT  00:34  Go through to Moroni. Then Joseph Smith starts over to replace the lost 116 pages, where we get 1st and 2nd Nephi,  as well as Jacob.



Joseph  00:46  Yes, Jacob, Enos, Jarom, Omni.



GT  00:47  Right. And then Words of Mormon, doesn't that cover 100 years or something, like a long time?



Joseph  00:55  Yeah, well Omni especially. Then Words of Mormon just bridges.



GT  01:00  Bridges.



Joseph  01:00  Yeah.



GT  01:02  There's a lot of people who would argue that Joseph's, especially when we talk about Godhead theology, evolved over time. And so, I guess I'll start with the traditional argument. And I know Don Bradley takes issue with this. But traditionally, a lot of people have looked, Steve Pynakker, my friend, has called it "the most Christian book there is." Even Mike Austin at Snow College, I just talked to him. He says [that] one of the problems with biblical scholars, as opposed to the Book of Mormon, is we have the editor Mormon going through here, and being like, oh. Obviously, what Isaiah said, was talking about Christ. Whereas you don't get that in the Bible, you have to read into it.



Joseph  02:04  Yep.



GT  02:04  Mike Austin has said [that] he appreciates that it's so explicit in the Book of Mormon. Whereas, you have to make it up in the Bible.



Joseph  02:14  Right. That's right. Yeah.



GT  02:17  And so once you get traditional [narrative.] I know, we're not really supposed to talk about trinity, but I want to go there for a minute.



Joseph  02:25  Sure, sure.



GT  02:27  Even Community of Christ looks at the Book of Mormon [as] very Trinitarian. The traditional understanding has been, well, it wasn't until we get to the Nauvoo period, where Joseph gets into the King Follett sermon, and we start expanding on the nature of God, and become a lot more Godhead theology and away from Trinitarian. So, would you agree or disagree with that argument?



Joseph  02:57  Yeah, there are two questions there really. There's a question about what's happening in the Book of Mormon. What does the Book of Mormon do with this question? Then there's a question to ask about just the history of the Church from 1829 until 1844. So, if I'm asking the question just about the Book of Mormon, I don't think we can actually make good sense of it on an evolutionary model, where Joseph's working out his ideas in the Book of Mormon.



GT  03:21  Where he starts Trinitarian and becomes Godhead.



Joseph  03:24  Well, within the Book of Mormon, for the moment, right?



GT  03:25  Okay.



Joseph  03:26  So sometimes people will say, "Oh,