Historian Peter Frankopan on future pandemics and the other big ecological threats of our time

On today’s episode, we speak with British historian Peter Frankopan, author of The Silk Roads and The Earth Transformed: An Untold History. His discussion with Good Weekend deputy editor Greg Callaghan covers the way mankind has reacted to ecological shocks, our industrial enslavement of animals, the threat of new pandemics - and how, in the face of all this, he remains an optimist at heart.

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