Elias Torres (Drift, HubSpot co-founder) joins us to share why he considers his $1.2B exit a "failure" and his radical new approach to company building with Agency. Hear why he's imposing a 100-employee constraint to reach $1B, why he believes seat-based pricing is "stupid" in the AI era, and his controversial stance on revenue-share models. Elias drops knowledge bombs on the psychology of AI adoption, the underrated power of pricing as a growth lever, and why his first hire was a lawyer (not a recruiter). A must-listen for founders navigating the shifting landscape of AI-first companies.