FOR REAL - episode 12

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: having to prove your masculinity - being the outlier - self-respect - voicing your opinion as a woman - people pleasing. 

Recorded on  15 June 2024, at Toets des Tijds, VEEM, Amsterdam.

(01:42) Fie [°1972 - Amsterdam, NL] tells about talking to the board of a cultural fund, who asked her: “where do you actually make your living from?” And not being able to speak her mind in that moment. And a rhetoric question: “would this question be asked to a man?”

(05:07) Hans [°1971 - Amsterdam, NL] describes how he was kicked out of a choir, at the moment he had prepared drinks and snacks for the group.

(09:51) Izak [°1996 - Amsterdam, NL] on proving your own masculinity: “What it is, I cannot tell you.” And 40 micro-agressions in one day, today. “Today was a good day.”

(15:40) Conny [°1952 - Rotterdam, NL] on being the outlier at school, the consequences for your sense of self and an epiphany of self-respect. 

(18:37) Karmit [°1996 - Treuchtlingen, DE] is a female composer. “Voicing your opinion as a woman has consequences, so I don’t dare to share examples here, so you actually feel powerless.” “I would love there to come a point that there is no need anymore for us to share the examples. Because the fact that we need to share it, is horrible.”

(20:27) Luke [°1990 - London, UK] on people pleasing. “I spent a lot of my life making sure everyone is OK about me. That makes it really hard for me to confess to people when I’m not feeling OK.” 

Karmit: feeling like you ruin everything when you speak your mind. 

(23:24) What do you deserve? To be me, with all the good and the bad. Love. Being sinterklaas. To get it wrong sometimes. A role model, not to feel alone. 

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

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