This is the fourth installment of conversations recorded at the 2022 Makers Fest at the Children’s Museum of New Hampshire in Dover. I was very happy to speak with Nathan Grey of Plastic Recycled and Caitlin of UNH Cooperative Extension 4-H. The first segment is all about how, while recycling has been part of pop culture since the late 80s and 90s, it is so often misunderstood. Then, Caitlin and I break down The Sims and how it reflects the coming of age of millennials.