#18 – The Hancock v Dibble Debate

Today we decided to do something a little different. Drew and I had both watched The Joe Rogan Experience #2136 with Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble. Since we were both excited to talk about it, we figured, why not make it an episode. And so, that’s exactly what this is. After some listener emails and interesting articles, we cover the debate between Flint and Graham. After covering our first impressions, we discuss how Graham’s general career strategy of keeping his claims “reasonable” may have actually hurt him in this debate in some ways. We talks about Flint’s best points which to us seemed to be his agricultural points including pollen and cereal domestication studies. We eventually cover the drama in the debate between Graham and Flint and our take on it. We spend some time talking about the attitude of Flint and other archeologists. We also cover the part of the debate that focused on Egypt before going off with our general thoughts and hopes for the future. Be sure to watch the debate yourself if you’re interested in getting the most out of this episode. We hope you enjoy!

Links:

This image shows the JWST IR data for Trappist-1b

Here are the links to the two stories we covered early in the show:

• Bitcoin is going green with the use of methane capture in landfills. The idea is to use the methane to run a generator that can be used to power Bitcoin mining. The topic is discussed by Daniel Batten of CH4 Capital on The Bitcoin Layer Podcast
• The James Webb Space Telescope detected light being emitted by a rocky planet orbiting Trappist 1. The story here.

The Great Debate: (Hancock v Dibble)

Here is the link to the JRE episode on Youtube and here is the link for Spotify. I’d recommend one of these so that you can see the slides that they present during the debate.

This image shows one of the Egyptian precision stone vases. The lines on it are added by Mark of unsigned.io who did the mathematical analysis of it. His opinion is that the vase could only have been designed with the help of a touring machine (computer). Check out Ben from UnchartedX and his wonderful video series about the vases.

Pollen spores as seen through an electron microscope

This image shows the difference between domesticated and wild grasses.

The Drama Links:

This is the article where Flint was interviewed about Graham and his Ancient Apocalypse show on Netflix. This was the article that got people accusing Graham of being racist.

This is the open letter written by the SAA to Netflix asking them to reclassify Graham’s show as fiction instead of documentary.

This is Graham’s response.

This image show a CGI recreation of Yonaguni off the coast of Japan.

This is a real image of Yonaguni

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Flint Dibbles “good archeology” podcast recommendations

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Timestamps:

• 0:00:00 – Intro
• 0:02:42 – Topic Intro
• 0:07:34 – Listener Emails
• 0:10:33 – Story: Bitcoin Methane Capture
• 0:17:58 – Story: Light Detected From Small Planet IMG
• 0:21:38 – Debate Summary
• 0:25:00 – Our First Impressions
• 0:29:53 – Music Break
• 0:31:19 – Graham’s Career Strategy
• 0:36:05 – Archaeobotany – Pollen
• 0:40:36 – Wild vs Domesticated Grasses
• 0:50:04 – Underwater Archeology
• 0:59:36 – Music Break
• 1:01:26 – The Drama
• 1:16:15 – Archeology’s Attitude
• 1:24:09 – Egypt
• 1:32:13 – Open Science & Speculation
• 1:37:58 – Outro

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