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Divergent States

Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, skeptical conversations. Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest forum dedicated to the safe use of psychedelics, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show examines the science, culture, and contradictions shaping the psychedelic landscape.


No mysticism. No marketing. Just data, lived experience, and hard questions.

We explore how psychedelics impact mental health, creativity, and society, from clinical trials to cultural fault lines. Nothing’s off-limits. Everything is up for scrutiny.

Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman.


If you're looking for reverence, this isn't your show.


If you're after critical, intelligent dialogue about what psychedelics actually do, welcome to Divergent States.

New episodes every two weeks.

Culture Creativity Science Chemistry Alternative Health Philosophy Society & Culture Health & Fitness Spirituality
Update frequency
every 15 days
Average duration
56 minutes
Episodes
19
Years Active
2024 - 2025
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Psychedelics at the Crossroads: Medicine, Politics, and Culture Wars

Psychedelics at the Crossroads: Medicine, Politics, and Culture Wars

History shows politics can make or break psychedelic medicine, will we repeat the 1960s backlash, or finally move forward? 

In this episode of Divergent States, we explore the uneasy intersection of p…

00:36:57  |   Wed 10 Sep 2025
Compass Pathways: Independent Media Talks Psychedelic Medicine

Compass Pathways: Independent Media Talks Psychedelic Medicine

In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Kabir Nath, CEO of Compass Pathways, and Dr. Steve Levine, Chief Patient Officer, to talk about the future of psychedelic medicine. From FDA appr…

00:37:54  |   Fri 22 Aug 2025
Paul F. Austin: Mastering Microdosing and Unlocking Human Potential

Paul F. Austin: Mastering Microdosing and Unlocking Human Potential

In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 and co-host Bryan sit down with Paul F. Austin, founder of The Third Wave and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute.

We dive deep into microdosing psychede…

01:08:44  |   Thu 07 Aug 2025
Amber Capone: The Psychedelics Saving Veterans from PTSD

Amber Capone: The Psychedelics Saving Veterans from PTSD

Amber Capone, co-founder and CEO of Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS), shares the powerful story of how psychedelic therapy - starting with Ibogaine - helped her husband, Navy SEAL Marcus…

01:15:49  |   Wed 23 Jul 2025
William Leonard Pickard - The Acid King, the Rose, and the Return

William Leonard Pickard - The Acid King, the Rose, and the Return

What happens when the most hunted man in psychedelic history walks free and joins us for a conversation?

In this deeply reflective episode of Divergent States, I sit down with William Leonard Pickard:…

00:51:36  |   Fri 04 Jul 2025
Dr. Anne Wagner on Relational Healing - MDMA, PTSD, and the Power of Two

Dr. Anne Wagner on Relational Healing - MDMA, PTSD, and the Power of Two

What if healing didn’t have to be a solo journey?

In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 sits down with Dr. Anne Wagner, clinical psychologist, researcher, and founder of the Remedy Centre in…

01:03:00  |   Mon 23 Jun 2025
Kyrsten Sinema on Psychedelics, Policy, and Veterans: Inside the New Bipartisan Movement

Kyrsten Sinema on Psychedelics, Policy, and Veterans: Inside the New Bipartisan Movement

In this exclusive interview, former U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema joins Divergent States to discuss the future of psychedelic medicine in American healthcare. From Ibogaine and PTSD to policy reform an…

00:32:50  |   Fri 13 Jun 2025
Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture, Communication & Controversy

Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture, Communication & Controversy

This week, we sit down with Kevin Cranford, Communications Officer at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), to talk about the upcoming Psychedelic Science 2025 conference — wh…

00:50:41  |   Fri 23 May 2025
Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?

Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?

In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the unfilte…

00:58:38  |   Wed 07 May 2025
Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran

Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran

What does it mean to be a responsible psychonaut?

In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down again with Valerie Beltran, licensed therapist, harm reduction expert, and educator with the Zendo Pr…

00:48:41  |   Thu 24 Apr 2025
Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform

Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform

In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Alli Schaper, CEO of Supermush and co-founder of the Microdosing Collective, to explore the evolving world of functional and psychedelic mushroom…

01:03:55  |   Thu 10 Apr 2025
JR Sawyers –  The First Film About Set, Setting, and Psychedelic Therapy? A Trip Elsewhere

JR Sawyers – The First Film About Set, Setting, and Psychedelic Therapy? A Trip Elsewhere

In this deeply personal and eye-opening episode, we sit down with filmmaker JR Sawyers, the mind behind the indie psychedelic drama A Trip Elsewhere. What begins as a conversation about a film turns …

01:06:27  |   Mon 24 Mar 2025
Valerie Beltran & Chelsea Rose – What Happens When a Trip Goes Sideways

Valerie Beltran & Chelsea Rose – What Happens When a Trip Goes Sideways

In this powerful episode of Divergent States, we’re joined by Valerie Beltran and Chelsea Rose-Pires of the Zendo Project- an organization redefining harm reduction and compassionate care at festival…

01:06:24  |   Thu 13 Mar 2025
DylAlien on Psychedelic Music Culture: Trance Rituals, Cosmic Giggles & Prankster Wisdom

DylAlien on Psychedelic Music Culture: Trance Rituals, Cosmic Giggles & Prankster Wisdom

In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Dylalien: psychedelic DJ, producer, schoolteacher, and longtime organizer of Goa Gil’s legendary all-night, open-air ritual dance parties. You’ve hea…

01:01:20  |   Sun 23 Feb 2025
Wendy Tucker on the Shulgin Legacy & the Future of the Farm: Preserving Psychedelic History

Wendy Tucker on the Shulgin Legacy & the Future of the Farm: Preserving Psychedelic History

In this profound episode of Divergent States, we welcome Wendy Tucker, daughter of Ann Shulgin and stepdaughter of the legendary Sasha Shulgin, the "Godfather of Ecstasy." Wendy shares intimate stori…

00:47:02  |   Tue 11 Feb 2025
Rick Doblin Unplugged: Psychedelics, Parenting, Trauma & the Future of MAPS

Rick Doblin Unplugged: Psychedelics, Parenting, Trauma & the Future of MAPS

In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Rick Doblin, founder of MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), for a raw, unscripted conversation on the future of psyched…

01:05:08  |   Wed 29 Jan 2025
Joshua White – Holding the Line: Fireside, Crisis Support & Conscious Integration

Joshua White – Holding the Line: Fireside, Crisis Support & Conscious Integration

In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Joshua White, founder and executive director of the Fireside Project, a nonprofit creating a revolutionary model of psychedelic support through free,…

00:43:28  |   Sun 12 Jan 2025
Hamilton Morris: r/Psychonaut and the DEA

Hamilton Morris: r/Psychonaut and the DEA

Hamilton Morris joins Divergent States to unpack a bizarre twist in the drug war: the DEA is using Reddit posts and trip reports as courtroom “evidence.”

What happens when harm-reduction advice and ha…

01:21:10  |   Tue 24 Dec 2024
Dr Rick Strassman - My Altered States

Dr Rick Strassman - My Altered States

What happens when psychedelic research, spiritual inquiry, and neurodivergence converge? In this premiere episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Dr. Rick Strassman, the groundbreaking research…

00:50:14  |   Wed 11 Dec 2024
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