Mykola Urban is a survivor of Sachsenhausen and usually lives in Kharkiv, Ukraine. Due to the Russian attack on Ukraine in 2022 he became a refugee and currently lives in Switzerland, where he met Swiss journalist, Maria Kafantari. When Mykola decided to visit Sachsenhausen for the 80th Commemoration of the Liberation in May of 2025 Maria came along. In this interview, Kelsey speaks with both Maria and Mykola.